On The Trail Of The Forgers

[Victoria]

Hello Maria,

I was only following on from Steve's efforts at peace making.
Your spanish quote .. well, looks beautiful in spanish, and the
translation into english is much nicer, than the only one similar
that comes to mind now ..
'A man is known by the company he keeps'
So obviously true, when you think about it or just look around,
'Like attracts like'

Your last posts re the charity, are very clear this time and paint
a good picture, of the events as you saw them.
I do find it hard to see though, that Caz is deliberately dishonest
or untrustworthy.
People (as we know) can do all sorts of things, thinking they are acting honestly ..
the problem being, rarely do we see things as they really are,
everything is coloured by our own ideas, hence our actions.
(I am speaking generally here .. not refering to Caroline or anyone else)

Maria, is there any reason that we know of, for Keith to not release
this 'evidence'?

~Victoria

[Victoria]

Plang,

The time here, right now is 9.52am Monday, 2nd June.
U.K. time, right now is 11.52pm Sunday, 1st June.
British Columbia, right now, (not sure if you are on
daylight saving) should be 4.52pm Sunday, 1st June.

As you can see Plang, we may be 'downunder' ...
but we have the big advantage of being able to see into
your future.
You will always be behind, and we shall lead.

ps. maybe U.K. is on daylight saving, not sure.
~Victoria

[plang]

Victoria, Victoria, you mean 8 hrs. ahead right? No, that's the UK.
What is the time difference down under from B.C.? Do you have the time down there?

[Maria]

Thank you for answering Maria, hope your visits abroad went fine?
I can't really comment on your charges against Keith Skinner and Caroline Morris. I have been doing a rough and tumble web search regarding the Marina Daglish event and sadly found no list of organizers and participating experts.
Furthermore, if it really was a fake charity event, people who were involved in it may not have been involved in the scam. They may have participated on the notion that they were doing charitable work.
A similar thing happened with a charity condert in my home town where the manager went running with the evening's proceeds.
Did you contact Marina Daglish before or after the event? Just asking because I'm not sure about the sequence of events. Did the participants know it was not a charity event?

I hope I didn't write to much gibberish, I'm on medication because I managed to give myself a haematoma the size of Alaska yesterday. You shouldn't lug around heavy hifi equipment if you are already tired and have to use public transports.

JSchmidt:

Further more... the announcement HAD BEEN PRINTED in Casebook MONTHS BEFORE. saying that this was a charitable event, MONTHS before I contacted the Marina DŽalglish charity who did not EVEN KNOW this event was taking place, and their name used in this shameful way.

Marina DŽalglish herself asked them to remove her name from their leaflets.

IŽm sorry to hear that a similar scam happened in your hometown. It is very common here in Britain, specially in the summer time, so people have to beware. I usually contact the charities mentioned in a leaflet to see if its true. If it isnŽt... then I contact the Charity commission who are encharged to oversee that registered charities are not used by unscrupulous people to make money for themselves.

The Maybrick Diary is listed in a book of great deceptions called Fakes & Forgeries by Brian Innes, so the Maybrick Diary its a known hoax. In this book, the Maybrick Diaries deception is sandwiched between the Hitler Diaries deception and the Vinland Map.

The event was vogus... it would have been akin to making an event about The Hitler Diaries... everyone knows The Hitler Diaries is a hoax.

As to the reputation of the people who participated in this event...is tainted
since as far as I recalled, the event made 10,000 pounds and the speakers got 8,000 pounds between them so the charity only got 2,000. For a fund-raising event, which was billed as a charitable venture... really not much was given to the charity.

-Maria

[Maria]

Thank you for answering Maria, hope your visits abroad went fine?I can't really comment on your charges against Keith Skinner and Caroline Morris. I have been doing a rough and tumble web search regarding the Marina Daglish event and sadly found no list of organizers and participating experts.Furthermore, if it really was a fake charity event, people who were involved in it may not have been involved in the scam. They may have participated on the notion that th







ey were doing charitable work.A similar thing happened with a charity condert in my home town where the manager went running with the evening's proceeds.Did you contact Marina Daglish before or after the event? Just asking because I'm
not sure about the sequence of events. Did the participants know it was not a charity event?As for the Kids on Wheels event: I see no particular fault in the event as it basically showed both sides of the Maybrick discussion with people arguing for and against him being the Ripper. While I don't belief in Maybrick being the Ripper, people might just be interested in the controversy, regardless of the factual basis and to target that particular audience is no crime at all.I hope I didn't write to much gibberish, I'm on medication because I managed to give myself a haematoma the size of Alaska yesterday. You shouldn't lug around heavy hifi equipment if you are already tired and have to use public transports.

Hello JSchmidt:

Oh dear... IŽm sorry to hear about the haematoma the size of Alaska ! Yes, you must be careful with heavy things, as you do not want to get an hernia lifting heavy things either !

Yes, we did have a fruitful trip, business wise, conmmuting from Ireland to Madrid and then taking Iberia from Madrid to Dublin was full of turbulence but as we had left the car at Dublin airport we had to return there, when we landed the winds were rather fierce on touching down and then once in our car, the ferry crossing from Ireland to Wales was cancelled due to the wind, so we were directed to Dun Leahri ( another port ) to catch a later ferry, a crossing which was rather rough but all was well, so we still came home at a reasonable time.

Anyway, about what you asked me when did I contacted the charity.* I telephoned the charity once it was announced on Casebook which charities were supposedly going to benefit from the Liverpool event. Naturally, I wanted to check if this was true.

The first charity ( kids on wheels ) confirmed that they had been contacted and that they had agreed to participate and they would be present at the event, that was fine.

But on the second charity, that was not the case, since the Marina DŽalglish charity had not even heard of the event ! let alone agreed to it. The lady, Marina DŽalglish demanded to know from me, where did I hear this and who had dared to use her name without her authorisation.

As I mentioned before, the protocols for using the name of a charity genuinely are:

1.) You approach the charity

2.) You get their permission and discuss how much of the proceeds you plan to give to the charity.
Normally, a representative of the charity is present at the event.

3.) Once you have permission from the charity and a representative of the
Charity will be there, THEN YOU PUBLISH IT TO THE WORLD.

Otherwise, anyone can have an event or a box saying that the money is going to charity when in fact its not.

The money was not entirely for charity as it purported on their leaflet, since the speakers got paid.

When it is a genuine charity event, the speakers donate their time and do not charge for their lecture. This is not the way it happened here.

It did not show both sides of the debate because most of the speakers were pro-diary, like Keith Skinner, Caroline Morris, Rubinstein, and the only one person was a dissenter as far as I can recall.

Interestingly... Keith Skinner at the event said that he had incontrivertible evidence that if he showed it in a court of law, it could convince a jury that the diary came from Battlecrease ( the house were Maybrick lived ) but when John Omlor pressed him to present this evidence... nothing. Keith did not present his so called evidence. It is exactly a year now since this event happenend and you know what ? He has still not presented his " evidence "

-Maria

[Maria]

Victoria:

I appreciate your efforts in trying to make friends between Caroline and myself.

Unfortunatelly, I do have scruples, I would only make friends with people who are trustworthy and honest. That is basic for any friendship I might entertain. Dishonest and cheating people do not interest me in the least.

There is a saying in Spanish: Dime con quien andas y te diré quien eres.

It means: Tell me with who your friends are... and I will tell you who you are.

-Maria

[Victoria]

You have slept through Friday Plang .. and
missed all the 'inspiration' .. it was an inspirational day.
We are up to Saturday .. evening for that matter,
way ahead of you .. ..

[plang]

Things are pretty boring for a Friday. No inspiration to get me started.
See ya.

[Victoria]

orders for the bar ..

"May I suggest that you two, sit down together and have a pint on me"

For Caroline .. it may possibly be time for her weekly glass of shandy,
otherwise it may just be a quick soda and lime.

For Maria .. I know she likes the occasional Guinness, but she usually
has it with a meal.

I will gladly pay for the pub meals, it will make more time for them to
linger and become friends. Caroline may even share some more of her
jokes. Then John may even pop in for the fun.

[Steve Powell]

The Blessed Ones

Caroline said to Maria:

"You are a liar (and a pretty hopeless one at that) and you should stop judging others by your own appalling standards - which currently lurk at the bottom of your lavatory bowl."

Ah dear, this unwanted screaming from you Carolne has to stop.
I shall be forced to bar you for a while if you continue in this way.
Maria's post's were 'passionate' but it doesn't give you the right
to call her a liar.
May I suggest that you two, sit down together and have a pint on me.
Go on, give Maria a cuddle and say you're sorry.
I know you want to confess all of your wrongdoings,
so why not start now, today, and be friends with us all here.
And why not ask Keith to come along and join the circle,
holding hands and singing praise to the God of truth.
If only Padre Feldman were present to lead us in prayer it would be perfect.
"Blessed are the believers, for they shall inherit the rights."

[Victoria]

Plang,

you are right, I finally get it .. now that I have moved up
to level 2 of the game, I can even see, that you were complimenting
Steve on his play on words.
To be honest I think my first reply was a reaction, prompted by a perceived
'slight' .. in my eyes, regarding you calling the publican "all washed up" ..
I probably got that wrong too.


Mike,

You may be right too .. Borat may be hilarious, even Caz with the corny
jokes thinks so. To be honest I have never watched it, and have no
desire to .. so I shall never know.


Maria,

Welcome back, hope the business trip went well, and you managed
some time for relaxing.

[Omlor]

And so, once again, these cheap hoaxes are getting just the sort of discussion they deserve.

Of course, it's never a surprise to see the rhetoric sink to these sorts of depths around here.

However, I do notice, on the calendar, that more than a full year has now passed since the fiasco in Liverpool and the one bit of new bluster that, according to the "trial's" organizer, made the deepest impression on so many of the voters all that time ago still hasn't been supported with any real evidence whatsoever.

Of course, that's not a surprise either, is it?

Nothing changes in Diary World as the years pass.

And yet another July is fast approaching,

--John

[caz]

Maria,

You are a liar (and a pretty hopeless one at that) and you should stop judging others by your own appalling standards - which currently lurk at the bottom of your lavatory bowl.

Caz

[JSchmidt]

Thank you for answering Maria, hope your visits abroad went fine?
I can't really comment on your charges against Keith Skinner and Caroline Morris. I have been doing a rough and tumble web search regarding the Marina Daglish event and sadly found no list of organizers and participating experts.
Furthermore, if it really was a fake charity event, people who were involved in it may not have been involved in the scam. They may have participated on the notion that they were doing charitable work.
A similar thing happened with a charity condert in my home town where the manager went running with the evening's proceeds.
Did you contact Marina Daglish before or after the event? Just asking because I'm not sure about the sequence of events. Did the participants know it was not a charity event?
As for the Kids on Wheels event: I see no particular fault in the event as it basically showed both sides of the Maybrick discussion with people arguing for and against him being the Ripper. While I don't belief in Maybrick being the Ripper, people might just be interested in the controversy, regardless of the factual basis and to target that particular audience is no crime at all.
I hope I didn't write to much gibberish, I'm on medication because I managed to give myself a haematoma the size of Alaska yesterday. You shouldn't lug around heavy hifi equipment if you are already tired and have to use public transports.

[Maria]

JSchmidt:

Something VERY IMPORTANT too... The procedure when you wish to be associated with a charity organization is to contact the charity FIRST to get their approval, THE SECOND STEP is to get their approval BEFORE you publish the fact that your event plans to raise funds for the charity.

In the case of the Marina Dalglish none of that happened.

The first charity ' Kids on Wheels ' which is owned by the owner of Battlecrease, they WERE informed and they had consented to participate in the shoddy event. They also informed me that they were going to have tours around the house Battlecrease, where Maybrick lived as an extra to the main event.


-Maria