On The Trail Of The Forgers

[Ally]

You know. I am having a bad day and it's only 7 am. And when I am having a bad day, my usual bitch factor of 10 tends to hit 100.

So Powell, before I hit Report Post and report you for slander, I am going to give you an opportunity to correct yourself.

Are you now claiming, with no evidence whatsoever to back that statement up, that Keith skinner was involved in hoaxing the diary?

[Steve Powell]

The cover up Caz!

I listen to everyones view here Caroline.It's you that I can't relate to
and you must know why don't you?
You are friends and a co-writer with Keith Skinner,
one of those who knew from the beginning that the diary
was a hoax, and don't write back with bloody disbelief on this.
I believe that you must know the relevant facts about Skinners involvement
and that you are trying like hell to keep me from gaining any ground in the truth dept.
In your co-written book with Skinner you called me a time waster
and that to me, was the end for you dearie.
(Unless you are a complete fool and don't know the facts)
I also believe you are here solely to try and destroy my views in any way you can.
If you would like to post me a private message on these and other facts,
please do so, but don't keep on with your tiresome attacks upon me
for the troopers benefits.
I would love to think that you are open minded, but its very hard, in fact, almost impossible.
So I say to all you troopers here, Caroline Morris must know the truth
that the diary is a hoax and is part of the cover-up!

Steve Powell

[caz]

...Hi Caz...

My simple point being...

Who gives a **** about any of the rest of it, since the whole thing is a hoax...Since it is a hoax, none of the rest of it will ever matter....

And my equally simple point, dear Capps, would be that Stevie Baby ain't listening to you. He does give a **** and he's listening to me and I'm making his arse sore.

I win hands down I think.

Love,

Caz
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[Steve Powell]

Caz or Baz?

Gee's Caroline,
What a pain in the arse you are.

[cappuccina]

...It's kind of like wasting one's time giving a **** about which person has written "Zorro was here" on the public bathroom stall wall...

[cappuccina]

...Hi Caz...

My simple point being...

Who gives a **** about any of the rest of it, since the whole thing is a hoax...Since it is a hoax, none of the rest of it will ever matter....

[caz]

Hi Good Michael,

Contrary to what some people think I didn't know Feldy 'quite well' at all. I only met him once when we interviewed him for Ripper Diary [which he loathed incidentally ]. I didn't take to him at all, finding him overbearing and opinionated. But he did strike me as being 100% sincere in his beliefs - perhaps because he just couldn't grasp why anyone would not share his own enthusiasm unless they had some hidden personal agenda. It was as naïve and uncomplicated as that in the end, as far as I could see.

There is no reason why anyone should take my word for it though. One reason for his own involvement in the creation of either artefact being so utterly implausible is that it was obvious to some of those who worked closely with him, or in competition with him, right from his early Druitt days and throughout his Maybrick years until he finally burned all his boats and burned himself out into the bargain with his tireless attempts to prove himself right that he was deceiving himself first, and these people were not similarly deceived by his notions of 'evidence'. They'd have been out like a shot if they thought for one second during all that time that the man was so unhinged that he had allowed himself to be deceived so thoroughly (and to suffer the breakdown of his marriage, health and finances) by a deception of his own making.

Nobody who did know Feldy 'quite well' would give such an idea the time of day.

Love,

Caz
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[The Good Michael]

Caz,

I understand that you knew Mr. Feldman quite well. Is that correct?
If so, and knowing that you think Steve's story is pretty much nonsense, was Feldman capable of such deceit? I mean, was he intellectually able to pull enough strings to create a huge lie? This is in general, of course, and not necessarily about the diary hoax. If you feel you would be disparaging against a deceased friend, I understand. It's just that this whole criminal mastermind thing doesn't seem plausible to me.

Cheers,

Mike

[caz]

Hi Victoria,

If Steve can write well, I have to wonder why he has chosen not to demonstrate his talent here.

I also have to wonder why you don't see it as dobbing on his best mate to get a book published which presumably aims to prove the accusations he has made here against him. And it wasn't just what Steve was 'told' by his best mate; it's also everything he claims to have witnessed with his own eyes, like the watch minus its Maybrick/Ripper engravings being shown to him before disappearing into another room with Park and emerging later with all the markings in situ. That's not something Steve could have conveniently forgotten until years after the flipping JtR tour and three or four diary books had been published featuring detailed descriptions of the watch.

I'm afraid Steve only has himself to blame for all the disbelief surrounding his stories. If I were to accept any of them at face value, just because you think he should be given a break, I might as well start believing Mike Barrett too, without insisting on some visible means of support.

If that sounds blunt, it's just a taste of what will come from better commentators than me if someone buys Steve's book and it turns out to be full of the provable twaddle he talks here.

Love,

Caz
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[caz]

http://books.google.com/books?id=6Hh...esult&resnum=9

pp. 45-48 are the most relevant...

Yes Caz, this is quite relevant, and not just "for fun" this time...

Yes Capps, and this ancient history is 'quite relevant' to Steve's best mate's alleged involvement in a modern hoax conspiracy - how?

I struggle sometimes - I mean I really struggle.

I notice you don't seem to have the slightest curiosity about whether Steve Park's handwriting looks in any way, shape or form like that in the diary. Mike Barrett's certainly doesn't. Anne Graham's ditto. What there is of Maybrick's ditto. I for one have always acknowleged that.

And if Feldy's did he'd have been carted off to the funny farm back in 1992/3.

Love,

Caz
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[Victoria]

You know Caz,

I really don't think (my opinion only, of course) that Steve started with
the intention of writing a book, and certainly not as you suggest ..
"your best mate is Steve Park and you desperately want to write a book dobbing on him".
I feel it is more that as he recalled the events, he wanted the truth as he
sees it to be told, so he told Shirley Harrison and here,
to the ripperologists on casebook.
In the end it would seem only logical to write the story yourself ..
especially if you are that way inclined,
meaning that he can write, and write well .. and all types of things.
So on that note, I don't see how Mike Barrett could have done it
with any 'style' as you suggest, I see the opposite.
The 'quest' as I see it is to piece together the final parts of the jigsaw, relating
to whoever else may have been involved in the hoax, and thereby proving
or disproving things that were told to him by 'his mate'.

love,
Victoria

[cappuccina]

Does anyone who is not stoned out of their gourd on hallucinogens or alcohol think the handwriting samples on pages 46 and 47 look anything alike or similar in any way, shape or form...


..............hahahahahahahahaha...............

[cappuccina]

Enjoy!

http://books.google.com/books?id=6Hh-EnnnO1gC&pg=PA45&lpg=PA45&dq=jack+the+ripper+diary+forgery&source=bl&ots=pE8ku9vKuN&sig=kIecKZILF0IufFdcpsMTxIXBUzU&hl=en&ei=aCzaSZDpGOrulQflwezhDA&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=9

pp. 45-48 are the most relevant...

Yes Caz, this is quite relevant, and not just "for fun" this time...

[caz]

In Australia, it is a thing that you never dob on a mate .. not that it is a
line of defence though.

Well no, it wouldn't have been a line of defence had Steve used it. But he evidently decided instead to modify the Aussie rule to:

You never dob on a mate unless your name is Steve Powell and your best mate is Steve Park and you desperately want to write a book dobbing on him.

.. until the day of his JTR tour in London.

Yeah, well that would have been the time to contact the police, I should have thought, with everything that was coming back to him about his best mate's cunning plans for a ripper confession using a diary and watch. The cops are unlikely to be amused by a long history of fannying about on an internet message board, years after the memory of their star witness had improved to the point of no return.

...in his quest to uncover
the truth of what really went on back then.

Not for the first time you make it sound like Steve didn't know what really went on. I thought Steve's claim was that it was just taking him a painfully long time to piece together and make sense of faded memories of what he himself had heard and witnessed. What quest? What truths were there to uncover, if he was his own source of information?

It sounds more and more like we have a Mike Barrett wannabe here - from the years when he was trying to prove he had some inside knowledge of the diary's creation (though mercifully even Mike knew nobody would believe him if he extended it to the watch, or to Feldy masterminding the whole thing).

At one point, Mike would have dearly loved to write the booky-wook: 'How the Dairy was Dun - My Story', and I think it would have done quite well. Not a single verifiable word in it, of course, but one can't have everything. At least Mike would have gone down with something Steve knows nothing about: style.

Love,

Caz
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[Victoria]

Hi Caz,

well no, I never thought of these aspects of it all .. that you have
so kindly brought to my attention, otherwise I might have found
myself 'a tiny bit worried' or even more than a bit worried about it.

But thinking about it now logically, wouldn't you say that Steve could have
for his defence the fact that he didn't know that his mate was really going
to go ahead with it all .. I mean it was just all talk at the time and 'the deed'
had not actually gone ahead until much later. That it all hadn't come to fruition at
the time, and he could say that he tried to talk his mate out of it, which I
think he has already said.
In Australia, it is a thing that you never dob on a mate .. not that it is a
line of defence though.
And maybe not always in the best interest of 'ones mate'.
In regards to the amnesia bit you mention, remember Steve eventually lost
contact with his mate, before 'the deed was done' (defence alibi!). He obviously
moved on with his life and did other things and the past would have faded into
the background of his mind .. until the day of his JTR tour in London.

Maybe though 'Stevie baby' .. has thought about this aspect of it all, and
is more than willing to suffer prison food or whatever else is thrown at him,
including the negative comments from others, in his quest to uncover
the truth of what really went on back then.

with love,
Victoria
ps. Thank you for the personal advice .. "to plead total ignorance",
as I really don't think I would enjoy that prison food.
But my honesty will not let me deny the things that I do remember,
such as the 'blackboard episode'.