EU Vote

[Elamarna]

Hi John

Well, you could also assume that patriotic Britons would have had no objection had the King in Parliament decided to hand the entire country over to the Third Reich in 1939. Or if the Queen in Parliament were to decide next week to cancel all future general elections. In both cases, you'd be wrong.

Robert

Just for the sake of argument,

the referendum was not legally binding, it was described I believe as advisory.

Now the Members are too concerned about losing their salaries not to vote no, but what if they voted in what they actually believed for once?
Seriously what then?

The point is John is not wrong, from a legal point of view!
You also suggest two scenarios, which the monarch does not have the power to enact, the powers they have are extremely limited.
It is a point to wonder about

Steve


steve

[Robert]

Hi John

Well, you could also assume that patriotic Britons would have had no objection had the King in Parliament decided to hand the entire country over to the Third Reich in 1939. Or if the Queen in Parliament were to decide next week to cancel all future general elections. In both cases, you'd be wrong.

[John G]

Of course there is a certain irony here: essentially the vote was about sovereignty and, of course, it is Parliament-or to be more precise, the Queen in Parliament-that is sovereign. Therefore I assume the Brexiters would have no objection if the sovereign body took the decision to disregard the advisory vote in the referendum and electet to remain in the EU! And, after all, the bulk of MPs favoured remain.

My principle concern is that Britain has a weak bargaining position, despite what the Brexiters may say. Thus, 44% of our exports goes to the EU, but only 8-17% -depending on how you construe the data-of the EU's exports goes to Britain. And most of our trade surplus is with just two countries-Spain and Germany-but, under EU rules, it would take only a handful of countries to vote no to scupper any deal.

Moreover, most Brexiters would want to remove the free movement of people requirement, often cite Switzerland as an example to follow. However, Switzerland have to accept free movement of people , despite voting in favour of restrictions in a referendum-the EU has refused to negotiate. And, in return for that, they don't even get free trade for some services, including their important financial services market-which, incidentally, also makes up 8% of Britain's economy, equivalent to the entire NHS budget.

By the way, the idea that we could easily replace EU trade with trade outside the EU, i e. with Commonwealth countries, is I'm afraid a fantasy, as trade agreements can take years to conclude-as highlighted by the Prime Minister of Canada, who stated that a trade deal with Britain could take ten years.

[Elamarna]

If you know how to bat, then you won't need your pads....

well i did that back in 88.

when i was younger by far, i needed pads, helmet, arm guard, thigh pad( inner and outer) and chest pad.

these days i just watch.

Steve

[Svensson]

If you know how to bat, then you won't need your pads....

[Elamarna]

No worries Steve.

I just hope you don't find that Caribbean cricket has been elbowed out by basketball.

it certainly was a few years back, hopefully the recent victories in both men and womens one day will help there.

one problem of course is cricket kit is expensive.

i just need to make sure i get good internet.

Steve

[Robert]

No worries Steve.

I just hope you don't find that Caribbean cricket has been elbowed out by basketball.

[Elamarna]

I wish you well, Steve, wherever you decide to live. My brother, a lifelong Londoner, is thinking he may up sticks and move to Thailand.

Me, I wouldn't mind France, seeing the wonderful Tour de France and all that beautiful scenery. But when that's over I'll no doubt fall back in love with Devon, where I am now. One of the regulars at our local boozer was very vocal about his 'leave' vote, and is now off to Spain for two weeks - presumably to make the most of the English pubs and fish and chip shops there before all the prices go up!

Love,

Caz
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Caz

thanks

well my other half is from the Caribbean so back there think.

And yes got pubs there too.

I agree with much of what you have posted, the problem I have had is over the last 2 weeks, the number of people both interviewed on tv and who I have personally spoken to who have no idea of the possible outcome of leaving. a typical comment i have heard is "it can't be any worse can it?"

Its that response which has made my mind up, if people had voted for reasons they could explain I would have no problem.


Of course I should not be surprised with comments like that, over the last 40 years we have seen an immense effort in this country to make sure that most people are uneducated on politics and economics, that has been the policy of all political parties.
The outcome of that is that many people have no idea of how things work.

For instances I had someone tell me before the 2010 election that all those who didn't voted had their votes automatically added to that of the Labour party, they insisted this was common knowledge. (I assume because Labour at the time were the outgoing Government.).

What really worries me is the leave politicians seem to have no idea of what to do .

Robert,

you obviously do have reasoned arguments, and I am fine with that.

And yes to say half the country was over the top I admit

Fm,

if i was rude in previous post I apologize, obviously we have a completely different view of things.


Steve

[Robert]

I won't be leaving unless hugs become compulsory :

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jul/05/sturgeon-may-leadsom-women-to-the-rescue-amid-political-turmoil

[Svensson]

Btw, I'm not leaving, not because of the result on its own anyways. Unless of course the childcare costs and schooling just becomes too much to afford...

So let's see what happens, right?

[Svensson]

And Shall not be going to Europe, but somewhere tropical.

[caz]

I am so sorry to say this but the above displays a lack of knowledge that is astounding.

How do they take money from "ordinary people" more than anyone else?

By the way who are "ordinary people"?

Despite the fact that the comment about giving it to "the arts" is wrong, that comment says so much more about your attitude than anything else.

And I am sorry this nonsense, and it is nonsense, about not being anti-democratic is so wrong.
There are elections to Europe(the parliament) that is served by the bureaucrats who are employed by the EU.
The same as the British parliament and its civil servants.

So far the only, and I mean only, result to affect ordinary people is the continuing fall in the pound, so fuel is and will go up, energy prices will follow, and the price of goods too.

Now of course overtime it will adjust, but who pays while it does?

The "ordinary people" that's who!

While there certainly are faults with the EU, people on the whole did not argue on those issues, but on emotive issues, which it now appears having won, they have no idea how to address.

So after being born here and having voted in every election since 1979, when I was first allowed to, I find that half of my country are small minded and insular.
However that was the outcome of the vote, so I have 2 choices, live with it or leave, as it appears to argue against it and fight is deemed to be an affront to democracy, which it is not!

Therefore to all those who voted leave, I will be leaving these shores before the end of the year, having no wish to remain in such a country.

And Shall not be going to Europe, but somewhere tropical.

And of course will still be here on the forums

Steve

I wish you well, Steve, wherever you decide to live. My brother, a lifelong Londoner, is thinking he may up sticks and move to Thailand.

Me, I wouldn't mind France, seeing the wonderful Tour de France and all that beautiful scenery. But when that's over I'll no doubt fall back in love with Devon, where I am now. One of the regulars at our local boozer was very vocal about his 'leave' vote, and is now off to Spain for two weeks - presumably to make the most of the English pubs and fish and chip shops there before all the prices go up!

Love,

Caz
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[Robert]

Caz, I know that you are not throwing this crap around - I said at the start that I hadn't seen this kind of thing on Casebook.

However, now I find that Steve thinks that half of the country are small-minded and insular.

Doesn't take long, does it?

[caz]

Well we will have to agree to disagree, Caz.

Hi Robert,

Now I'm a bit confused. What was there to disagree with in my last post to you? I'm sure an equal number of perfectly decent, intelligent and selfless people voted on either side, and I hope you would agree with that. But which way do you suppose the tiny minority of racist xenophobic bigots would have voted? Or don't you believe such people exist in this country?

Love,

Caz
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[Robert]

Memo to the Greeks : please note that the EU has taken nothing from you. In fact, your membership of the EU and its associated Euro currency has been a magnificent success. It may seem to you that your country is bankrupt, but this is a sheer mistake. We hope you appreciate how lucky you are to be part of the EU, and pray for its leaders nightly.