Bible John (General Discussion)

[Geddy2112]

Herlock Sholmes is this the same place?

[Herlock Sholmes]

Herlock Sholmes is this the same place?

Cheers Geddy, I won’t ask ‘how’ you did it because it looks like most people are able to do this. Just not me.

I believe that Helen’s body was found underneath the window at the bottom right visible between the gap in the trees.

[Herlock Sholmes]

I took this one from further to the left do that you can see all of the house. I don’t know if you can enlarge it Geddy?

It doesn’t matter if you can’t.

[Herlock Sholmes]

The transcript does not read very well- I hope it comes across better in the podcast. Too breathless in style for my palate.

Occam's Razor suggests the McDonald sighting in South Street is a red herring at best. We know from taxi driver Hannah that he dropped Helen and the male passenger off in Earl Street. He retraced his route the following morning when the memory was fresh and police presence would have concentrated his thoughts. The Earl Place thoroughfare to Dumbarton Road- opposite Number 95- would have served as a decent landmark. We also know that police found the body of Helen in the backyard area of Number 95. The obvious conclusion to be drawn is that Helen was murdered soon after leaving the taxi by the male passenger who Hannah remembered being in a minor altercation with her.

The podcast does admit a few problems with the South Street sighting, such as why Helen did not turn right towards her flat 150 yards away, but instead climbed up an embankment, clambered over a fence, and headed for a friend's cottage 300 yards away to her left instead? And even if we accept she knocked on a door in Harland Cottages why was it necessary for Helen to be walking (or running by other accounts) along South Street, an industrial area where she was allegedly spotted by a passing taxi driver? This would have taken her even further from her own flat. Not addressed in the transcript is why BJ, having killed Helen somewhere along the embankment, took the trouble to drag the body back and lay it out for display in almost the very same location that the taxi had previously dropped them off!

So what was McDonald up to with his tale? I think he did see a woman in a white coat walking somewhere in the vicinity and convinced himself it was Helen Puttock in her ocelot outfit. I would be interested to see his statement and check whether it was made after a description of Helen's clothing had been made public. As for the timing, a taxi driver on a busy Saturday night has little concept of time as he dashes from place to place. He had no reason to recall what he saw at the time it happened so can hardly be expected to recall when he saw the woman. When it came to taxi testimony Hannah's was quite correctly the version favoured by the police.

You get the unfortunate impression that the person transcribing the podcast had never met a Scottish person before as neither Audrey Gillan, Marcello Mega or those voicing the police parts have ‘difficult’ accents. It’s a bit like the instructions that sometimes comes with stuff you buy from abroad.

As you’ve said, we have Hannah telling us where he dropped his two passengers (Earl Street a very few yards from number 95) so that if Helen did end up on South Street it would have had to have been after that. An obvious problem is that MacDonald only saw a woman. There was no man in pursuit. If there had been a struggle at the rear of number 95 and Helen had managed to get away it’s difficult to imagine how she could have put so much distance between herself and her killer that he wasn’t seen. There was grass between her shoe and heel so she still had her shoes on when she was found. So she was scrambling over a rough grassy area in shoes that probably had heels and she managed to put a significant distance between herself and a 30ish year old guy in flat shoes who, according to his own words, didn’t smoke or drink? It doesn’t seem likely? We’ve mentioned this before I know but ‘perhaps’ he saw her fairly briefly and the guy was walking a few yards behind; not wanting to draw attention to himself? But then we have to ask how he managed to get her back? Helen was no shrinking violet according to those that knew her.

As it stands I’m not totally decided either way but I think there’s more in favour of MacDonald either making this up or of him seeing a women in the distance in a coat that only resembled Helen’s or even that he saw another woman in an ocelot coat (coincidence, yes, but far less likely ones have happened)

[cobalt]

We don't have to ask 'how' he got her back. We really need to ask WHY he bothered to return her to the place where they had been dropped off around ten minutes earlier. Gillan offers no account of how BJ, who was presumably not carrying any weapon, was able to track Helen's movements, kill her elsewhere and manage to deposit her body about 300 yards from South Street. It's nonsense on stilts.

From what I can gather Audrey Gillan has taken a feminist line in her investigation and that counts to her credit since she has focused on the effects of the murders on the victims' families. But she seems to have adopted the fashionable view that 'toxic masculinity' lies at the heart of all women's problems therefore she comes up with a theory- devoid of any supporting evidence from witnesses or neighbours bar McDonald's dubious sighting- that Helen Puttock ran for help to a female friend's house, a property that was twice as far away than her own flat. Her husband, who reluctantly allowed her to go out dancing and provided the taxi fare then looked after the children, is dismissed in this version as a domestic abuser. In some perverted feminist vision, there is an implication that Mr. Puttock and Bible John are seen as part of the same kidney. Ditto Beattie and his team of detectives.

BJ not being a smoker is rather like Lee Harvey Oswald's driving ability. There is conflicting testimony, although the most reliable source is surely Jeannie Langford who said that the presumed BJ smoked Embassy cigarettes. According to her BJ was also familiar with pubs in the Yoker area, so the popular image of BJ as being a straight laced ultra Presbyterian 'Holy Willie' type is almost certainly wrong.

The sighting of Helen in South Street is akin to the many 'sightings' of Lee Harvey Oswald in various places when he was known to be elsewhere at the time, as sometimes confirmed by his clock-in card at the Texas Book Depository. These witnesses are I'm sure honest people who want to help the inquiry, but are simply mistaken.

[Geddy2112]

I just take a screen grab from Google Maps then paste it into a photo editor then save it...

[Herlock Sholmes]

Some footage from inside the Barrowland after it had re-opened after a fire in the 1960’s

https://stvfootagesales.tv/content/barrowlands-in-the-60s-mute/

[Herlock Sholmes]

I just found this on the same site. It’s called Helen Puttock’s Last Hours.

https://stvfootagesales.tv/content/helen-puttocks-last-hours/

[Herlock Sholmes]

Bible John DNA Test Continues.

https://stvfootagesales.tv/content/bible-john-dna-test-continues/

[Herlock Sholmes]

Bible John DNA Test Negative

https://stvfootagesales.tv/content/bible-john-dna-tests-negative/

Geoff Brown - Crime Correspondant:

“More promising perhaps in that department the Odontology which seemed to suggest that John McInnes certainly bit Helen Puttock….”

Where did he get that from?

[Herlock Sholmes]

Bible John Murder Locations

https://stvfootagesales.tv/content/bible-john-murder-locations/

This is disappointing.

[Herlock Sholmes]

Bible John Suspect

https://stvfootagesales.tv/content/bible-john-suspect/

[Herlock Sholmes]

Bible John Suspect To Be Exhumed

https://stvfootagesales.tv/content/bible-john-suspect-to-be-exhumed/

[Herlock Sholmes]

Exhumation Of John McInnes

https://stvfootagesales.tv/content/exhumation-of-john-mcinnes/

[Herlock Sholmes]

Exhumation Waste Of Time

https://stvfootagesales.tv/content/exhumation-waste-of-time/