Bible John: A New Suspect by Jill Bavin-Mizzi

[barnflatwyngarde]

From the Helen Puttock episode Barn.


At 5.12 it sounds like AG says “pretty Scottish people” but that surely cant be right?

At 6.40 it sounds like AG says “I found Margaret work” ?

At 7.30 Margaret says something that sounds like “well I went there in 1830.”

At 21.05 what is the word Jeannie uses before ‘mesmerised’?

5.12 "scones, pancakes for tea..."

6.40 It sounds like "I found Margaret work".

7.30 "I went to her 18th birthday".

21.05 " I was staunin' (standing) mesmerised.

[Herlock Sholmes]

From the Helen Puttock episode Barn.


At 5.12 it sounds like AG says “pretty Scottish people” but that surely cant be right?

At 6.40 it sounds like AG says “I found Margaret work” ?

At 7.30 Margaret says something that sounds like “well I went there in 1830.”

At 21.05 what is the word Jeannie uses before ‘mesmerised’?

[barnflatwyngarde]

Well that didn't go as planned.

If I can find a way to make the image larger I'll have another go.

Frustrating!!

[barnflatwyngarde]

I have already uploaded this picture, but I have managed to upscale it, which makes the image much clearer.

It shows Joe Beattie in the Incident Room with photofits of Bible John on the board behind him.

[Ms Diddles]

Here is another, better photo of Jemima.
She looks a happy young woman, and I think a more human person than the other well known photo.

I don't think that this has been uploaded here, apologies if it has been.

I don't think I've seen this picture before, Barn.

Thanks for posting.

I agree that you get much more of a sense of her personality from this photo than the usual slightly out of focus one that we see a lot.

Sad, she looks happy and nice.

[Herlock Sholmes]

Thanks for posting Barn. A happy looking young woman who, like Pat and Helen, were horribly slurred just for wanting the odd night out dancing.

[barnflatwyngarde]

Here is another, better photo of Jemima.
She looks a happy young woman, and I think a more human person than the other well known photo.

I don't think that this has been uploaded here, apologies if it has been.

[Herlock Sholmes]

I notice from the much published cictim photo that Jemima MacDonald had what appeas to be a quite ‘heavy’ jaw. The woman in the photograph seems very similar to me. There is a strong likeness because of the jaw I believe. So maybe it could be her. The glasses on the man trouble me. I font think has been any mention of glasses has there. I don't buy the glasses thing as a disguise. He seems fairly well built to me. Just observations
NW

Hi NW,

Yes, it’s the jaw that stands out and makes me see a similarity at least but that’s possibly all that it is. It seems to me that Jemima’s jaw is more ‘pronounced’ for want of a much better word. Jemima also appears to have darker hair than the woman in the photograph.

[Herlock Sholmes]

Hi Herlock, from 4.10 the conversation is as follows:

"I used to go to the Barrowland at the same time, I'm 76 tomorrow".
"Are you? Happy birthday".
"You used to have your street gangs, you know, you used to have the Calton Tongs down there, the Bridgeton Derry, the San Toi, all the street gangs, they knew each other and all that."
"Street gangs went up the Barrowland?"
"Was it as rough as they say?".
"Well it was no mean city, you know. They used to carry razor blades and razors. That was thirty year ago you know"

I hope this helps.
If you have any other problems translating working class Glaswegian, just let me know.

Thanks a lot Barn. I’m usually ok with the accents but there are always some parts which beat me and this was certainly one. Especially the gang names.

[barnflatwyngarde]

Ok Barn I have another for you. It’s from episode 3 Jemima MacDonald. It happens at around 4.18 and two old guys are talking about the gangs that frequented the the Barrowland. I just can’t make out what they’re saying.

Hi Herlock, from 4.10 the conversation is as follows:

"I used to go to the Barrowland at the same time, I'm 76 tomorrow".
"Are you? Happy birthday".
"You used to have your street gangs, you know, you used to have the Calton Tongs down there, the Bridgeton Derry, the San Toi, all the street gangs, they knew each other and all that."
"Street gangs went up the Barrowland?"
"Was it as rough as they say?".
"Well it was no mean city, you know. They used to carry razor blades and razors. That was thirty year ago you know"

I hope this helps.
If you have any other problems translating working class Glaswegian, just let me know.

[New Waterloo]

I notice from the much published cictim photo that Jemima MacDonald had what appeas to be a quite ‘heavy’ jaw. The woman in the photograph seems very similar to me. There is a strong likeness because of the jaw I believe. So maybe it could be her. The glasses on the man trouble me. I font think has been any mention of glasses has there. I don't buy the glasses thing as a disguise. He seems fairly well built to me. Just observations
NW

[New Waterloo]

The good news is that the photo is pretty clear so thats a real help but I am inclined to think that the photo is earlier than 1969 as Cobalt suggests. I was born 1960 and my sister was some 9 years older than me so about 18 in 1969. I recall her going out and seem to think by 1969 fashion was getting a bit more casual and hippy. Patterns and flowery but we lived more towards London and maybe still a bit more old fashioned in Scotland. I am possibly talking load of rubbish so apologies if not correct.

it is such a good photo find though. Really good.
NW

[New Waterloo]

Have now got it. Excellent
NW

[New Waterloo]

Hi Herlock. For some reason link not working for me. Are others finding this. probably me.
NW

[cobalt]

Judging by the men's hairstyles (no sideburns and a fair few quiffs) the photo looks like it's from around 1964. I don't think there would have been many saxophonists still playing solo at the Barrowland in 1969. Maybe someone can date it better by examining the women's hairstyles and dresses.