University of Idaho Stabbings

[Pcdunn]

Man linked to killings of 4 Idaho students is arrested in Pennsylvania

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2022/12/30/idaho-students-homicide-arrest/

The suspect arrested in Pennsylvania has been charged with multiple counts of 1st degree murder.

[Pcdunn]

The suspect was studying criminology at a different college. I wonder if he thought he'd commit a "perfect crime" and baffle local police?

Motive remains unknown so far. The extraordinary thing is how the tip about a white vehicle led them across the country to Pennsylvania!

[erobitha]

There is still very little information available, but we know he studied at WSU (Washington State University), which is just 8 miles away across state lines. It was the next nearest university. I have never studied in an American University, but is it not fairly common practice for students to intermingle with other fraternities etc, from nearby universities? Especially that close?

Upon his arrest, he asked if anyone else was arrested, which suggests an accomplice or perhaps a conspirator.

His phone records closely match that of the victims' locations in the weeks leading up to the murders which suggests stalking behaviour.

He has waived his right to extradition, meaning he will instantly be transferred to Idaho without contest.

He claims he will be exonerated. That is an interesting use of language. Not proved innocent, but exonerated.

I wonder if one of the survivors knew of him.

[Pcdunn]

Rival college or university students could encounter each other at team games, assuming both institutions play athletics. There could also be academic competitions like debates. Or maybe campus fraternal organizations would meet one another socially, as suggested.

I think they said the susthct's phone records show calls in the general area as the victims, within the same time frame, which places him in the area at the time of the murders.
I think they're also investigating if social media links any of the victims (or survivors) with the accused.

That's interesting, about the "exonerated" comment. Could just be a boast, as I think they have some DNA results placing him at the scene. But you never know...

[Abby Normal]

I live in the states and went to college, and yes there is a a fair amount of interaction that goes on between students at different schools, especially when they are this close.

Im wondeing if he was any of the men seen in the food truck video. either way it does seem like he may have been casing out those girls, either in person and or online, and at the very least may have encountered them the night they were murdered.

There also seems to be alot of evidence he was socially awkward, creeped people, especially girls, out, and would say alot of inappropriate things. No evidence he ever had a girlfriend and i would guess he was sexually inexperienced, probably a virgin and may have resented it. and no evidence they were sexually assaulted at he scene. It reminds me of a zodiac and or son of sam type jealousy, hate of sexually active girls type thing. eventhough the hot prowl aspect reminds me of bundy and GSK, whos crimes were obviously very sexually motivated, it seems this guys motive was probably a sexually repressed one. Just goes to show how different serial killers can be.

that they werent sexually assaulted at the scene, should have been a big indicator of this part of his personality. The ripper may have been the same way, as no overt evidence of sexual assault?

[jmenges]

Looks as though some in the media are giving sideways glances at Katherine Ramsland since the accused had taken classes where she was the professor. I even saw an interview with Kerri Rawson where they wondered aloud if Kohberger had corresponded with BTK - simply because Ramsland had written a (not very good) book about Dennis Rader. Typically, ‘high profile’ professors like Ramsland don’t bother themselves to learn their students names, let alone steer them to correspond with serial killers. Time will tell, but my initial gut feeling is dragging Katherine Ramsland through the mud is a bit premature.


JM

[Abby Normal]

appears kohbergers dad flew out from PA to accompany his son on the drive back from Idaho/WA. I always suspected the parents knew, unless theyre just totally clueless and live under a rock.

[Dickere]

There is still very little information available, but we know he studied at WSU (Washington State University), which is just 8 miles away across state lines. It was the next nearest university. I have never studied in an American University, but is it not fairly common practice for students to intermingle with other fraternities etc, from nearby universities? Especially that close?

Upon his arrest, he asked if anyone else was arrested, which suggests an accomplice or perhaps a conspirator.

His phone records closely match that of the victims' locations in the weeks leading up to the murders which suggests stalking behaviour.

He has waived his right to extradition, meaning he will instantly be transferred to Idaho without contest.

He claims he will be exonerated. That is an interesting use of language. Not proved innocent, but exonerated.

I wonder if one of the survivors knew of him.

He doesn't have to be proven innocent. He is innocent until proven guilty.

[erobitha]

He doesn't have to be proven innocent. He is innocent until proven guilty.

I wasn’t making any assumption of his guilt. I was simply stating what he said. It is peculiar to say exonerated rather than innocent. Exoneration happens post-conviction. As a criminology student he would be aware of the subtle differences.

[Abby Normal]

He doesn't have to be proven innocent. He is innocent until proven guilty.

thats not even what ero was saying. of course everyone knows in a court of law one is innocent until proven guilty.

But this isnt a court of law so Ill say it-hes guilty as sin-his DNA is at the crime scene and his car was seen in the area and his cell phones pinging in sync to where his victims were. and im sure they have alot more.

he did it and I hope they fry his ass.

[Pontius2000]

He doesn't have to be proven innocent. He is innocent until proven guilty.

No one is ever found "innocent". They are only found Guilty or Not Guilty. Not Guilty does not mean "innocent". Not Guilty WOULD mean "exonerated".

[erobitha]

No one is ever found "innocent". They are only found Guilty or Not Guilty. Not Guilty does not mean "innocent". Not Guilty WOULD mean "exonerated".

"Exoneration occurs when the conviction for a crime is reversed, either through demonstration of innocence, a flaw in the conviction, or otherwise. Attempts to exonerate convicts are particularly controversial in death penalty cases, especially where new evidence is put forth after the execution has taken place."

I can't make this point much clearer. Being charged is not convicted. Therefore no exoneration is required. Just a not guilty verdict, which is not the same as exonerated.

As a PhD student in criminology, he would know and understand the difference. So why he said he would be exonerated is psychologically speaking interesting.

Another interesting point to note is that among the charges of murder is one for burglary. This suggests he may have taken something away with him or he was potentially already inside taking items as the students were returning from their night out.

[Ally]

I can't make this point much clearer. Being charged is not convicted. Therefore no exoneration is required. Just a not guilty verdict, which is not the same as exonerated.

As a PhD student in criminology, he would know and understand the difference. So why he said he would be exonerated is psychologically speaking interesting.

I disagree. The word exonerated in a strictly legal sense might refer to convictions, but most people use it colloquially to mean "absolved of blame" as it is defined. The conviction component only matters if one is making a legal argument, not a public appeal. He was making a public appeal.

[Pontius2000]

"Exoneration occurs when the conviction for a crime is reversed, either through demonstration of innocence, a flaw in the conviction, or otherwise. Attempts to exonerate convicts are particularly controversial in death penalty cases, especially where new evidence is put forth after the execution has taken place."

I can't make this point much clearer. Being charged is not convicted. Therefore no exoneration is required. Just a not guilty verdict, which is not the same as exonerated.

As a PhD student in criminology, he would know and understand the difference. So why he said he would be exonerated is psychologically speaking interesting.

Another interesting point to note is that among the charges of murder is one for burglary. This suggests he may have taken something away with him or he was potentially already inside taking items as the students were returning from their night out.

As I stated, there is no finding of “innocence”. There are only rulings of Guilty or Not Guilty (exoneration). “Burglary” is the entrance of a building or dwelling with the intention to commit a crime therein. The entrance of an OCCUPIED DWELLING (ie, a place where people are) at night (ie, after the sun has set and before it has risen again) with intention to commit a crime is automatically Burglary 1st Degree which is considered a Violent Offense in all 50 states. He entered an occupied dwelling at night with the intention of committing murder. That is automatically Burglary 1st. He then committed 4 counts of Murder.

[Damaso Marte]

https://nypost.com/2023/01/05/bryan-...th-court-docs/

The suspect has made his court appearance in Idaho so the complaint against him is now public. It includes details on what evidence they have on him and how he was identified.

According to the evidence the entire murder spree took less than 20 minutes. His car enters the house at 4:02am and departs 4:20am. He butchered four people in that time.

Direct link to affidavit: https://coi.isc.idaho.gov/docs/case/...tt%20Payne.pdf

Interesting detail: they noticed that the suspicious white Elantra had no front license plate. Most US states require a license plate on both front and back but the killer's
home state of Pennsylvania somewhat uniquely does not require a front plate. So they knew to look for a white Elantra registered in Pennslyvania. Not a lot of those 2,500 miles west of Pennsylvania in Idaho and Washington!