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  • #16
    Another photo. This is the infamous "shark arm" with the unique tattoo. Why was it severed from the victim's body? Was it to aid disposal of the body, as suggested by renowned pathologist Sydney Smith? Or was it sent to Patrick Brady as a grisly warning: "see, your friend is dead, you're next"? Or is the truth even more convoluted?

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    • #17
      Now I’m certainly not saying that this has a bearing on the case but...

      Smith is killed....dumped in the sea (or at least his arm is)....it’s eaten by a shark....that shark is eaten by another shark....then the shark is caught.

      All in the space of a week?

      ***

      A question....why was Holmes cremated the day after he was killed?
      Regards

      Herlock




      “ Herlock is the cleverest man that I’ve ever met.” - Stephen Hawking.
      “ I wish that I could have achieved half as much as Herlock.”- Neil Armstrong.
      “ What a voice Herlock has.” - Luciano Pavarotti.
      “ I wish that I could dump Harry for Herlock.” - Meghan Markle.
      “ I know that it’s not good to be jealous but I just can’t help it.” - John Holmes.

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      • #18
        Originally posted by Herlock Sholmes View Post
        Now I’m certainly not saying that this has a bearing on the case but...

        Smith is killed....dumped in the sea (or at least his arm is)....it’s eaten by a shark....that shark is eaten by another shark....then the shark is caught.

        All in the space of a week?

        ***

        A question....why was Holmes cremated the day after he was killed?
        Smith went missing on 8 April. Shark was caught on 18 April. So, 10 days. As for the other point, Holmes was cremated on Friday 14 June, three days after his shooting. Are you saying these dates and timings might be significant? I sense you're already puffing on your Calabash pipe, Herlock!

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        • #19
          Originally posted by ColdCaseJury View Post

          Smith went missing on 8 April. Shark was caught on 18 April. So, 10 days. As for the other point, Holmes was cremated on Friday 14 June, three days after his shooting. Are you saying these dates and timings might be significant? I sense you're already puffing on your Calabash pipe, Herlock!
          Thanks Antony.

          Some inaccurate info online. It said that he was cremated on the 13th so I was thinking “was someone trying to hide something?” Obviously not.

          It also said online ‘mid April’ for when the shark was caught so I was trying to consider ‘what would be the chances of all that happening in such a short space of time?’ The arm could hardly have been planted though

          Do you have any more detail on the letter that Brady was supposed to have sent Smith’s wife where he mentions being “in a jam?”

          Was there ever any suspicion of anything between Brady and Mrs Smith?

          *****

          I don’t know enough to give a valid opinion yet Antony but it’s difficult to see Brady as not involved. Early money on Brady possibly with Holmes having some involvement.

          *****

          No trams or chess clubs or mackintoshes in this one then Antony?
          Regards

          Herlock




          “ Herlock is the cleverest man that I’ve ever met.” - Stephen Hawking.
          “ I wish that I could have achieved half as much as Herlock.”- Neil Armstrong.
          “ What a voice Herlock has.” - Luciano Pavarotti.
          “ I wish that I could dump Harry for Herlock.” - Meghan Markle.
          “ I know that it’s not good to be jealous but I just can’t help it.” - John Holmes.

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          • #20
            Originally posted by Herlock Sholmes View Post

            Thanks Antony.

            Some inaccurate info online. It said that he was cremated on the 13th so I was thinking “was someone trying to hide something?” Obviously not.

            It also said online ‘mid April’ for when the shark was caught so I was trying to consider ‘what would be the chances of all that happening in such a short space of time?’ The arm could hardly have been planted though

            Do you have any more detail on the letter that Brady was supposed to have sent Smith’s wife where he mentions being “in a jam?”

            Was there ever any suspicion of anything between Brady and Mrs Smith?

            *****

            I don’t know enough to give a valid opinion yet Antony but it’s difficult to see Brady as not involved. Early money on Brady possibly with Holmes having some involvement.

            *****

            No trams or chess clubs or mackintoshes in this one then Antony?
            Herlock, all I can say is that I like the way you're thinking!

            No trams and intricate timings, but lots of meetings at suspicious times. No chess clubs, just an unremarkable shack in a quiet suburb south of Sydney. No mackintosh, just a tattooed arm in a swimming pool! It does not have the nuance of Wallace - I'm not sure any case does - but it does have a great narrative and cast of characters. Oh, and the evidence can be interpreted in different ways. Just what we like, eh?

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            • #21
              God Almighty Herlock, is there a cold case your not familiar with? You'll be telling us who put Bella in the Wytch Elm next!
              Thems the Vagaries.....

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              • #22
                Originally posted by Al Bundy's Eyes View Post
                God Almighty Herlock, is there a cold case your not familiar with? You'll be telling us who put Bella in the Wytch Elm next!
                I had to look into this one Al. Of the previous 4 books in this series by Antony I’ve agreed with his preferred solution in 3. The odd one out was the Wallace case of course but Antony at least accepts the possibility of a guilty William and I accept that he could have been innocent

                ....he was probably guilty though of course
                Regards

                Herlock




                “ Herlock is the cleverest man that I’ve ever met.” - Stephen Hawking.
                “ I wish that I could have achieved half as much as Herlock.”- Neil Armstrong.
                “ What a voice Herlock has.” - Luciano Pavarotti.
                “ I wish that I could dump Harry for Herlock.” - Meghan Markle.
                “ I know that it’s not good to be jealous but I just can’t help it.” - John Holmes.

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by Herlock Sholmes View Post

                  I had to look into this one Al. Of the previous 4 books in this series by Antony I’ve agreed with his preferred solution in 3. The odd one out was the Wallace case of course but Antony at least accepts the possibility of a guilty William and I accept that he could have been innocent

                  ....he was probably guilty though of course
                  Classic Herlock, side stepping the real question. Who put Bella in the Wytch Elm? No answer old man. Stumped. Pun intended.
                  Thems the Vagaries.....

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by ColdCaseJury View Post

                    Smith went missing on 8 April. Shark was caught on 18 April.
                    Given the arm was still "fresh",perhaps Smith was being interrogated.

                    The "Pathfinder" was a decent sized vessel and Terrigal has long been a major entry point for drugs offloaded at sea.

                    Perhaps someone thought he had stashed a consignment the previous year.

                    Would make an excellent "Underbelly" addition.

                    My name is Dave. You cannot reach me through Debs email account

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by DJA View Post

                      Given the arm was still "fresh",perhaps Smith was being interrogated.

                      The "Pathfinder" was a decent sized vessel and Terrigal has long been a major entry point for drugs offloaded at sea.

                      Perhaps someone thought he had stashed a consignment the previous year.

                      Would make an excellent "Underbelly" addition.
                      Smith helped himself to some valuables (including silverware) on Pathfinder before he scuttled it. One of the possibilities I consider is this enraged Holmes and his cartel. And if the valuables had to come to light, it might have prompted a re-investigation of the yacht's loss by police. So, I think you might be on the right lines.

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                      • #26
                        Certainly makes sense.

                        ***

                        Is there any possibility that Holmes suicide attempt was actually a murder attempt as he claimed? If it was a failed suicide attempt why didn’t he just try again?

                        ***

                        Time for an ‘out there’ question from someone with no medical knowledge.

                        I was thinking about why the shark had become ill and vomited?Could Smith have been drugged and it was the drugs that made the shark vomit?
                        Regards

                        Herlock




                        “ Herlock is the cleverest man that I’ve ever met.” - Stephen Hawking.
                        “ I wish that I could have achieved half as much as Herlock.”- Neil Armstrong.
                        “ What a voice Herlock has.” - Luciano Pavarotti.
                        “ I wish that I could dump Harry for Herlock.” - Meghan Markle.
                        “ I know that it’s not good to be jealous but I just can’t help it.” - John Holmes.

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by Al Bundy's Eyes View Post

                          Classic Herlock, side stepping the real question. Who put Bella in the Wytch Elm? No answer old man. Stumped. Pun intended.
                          Regards

                          Herlock




                          “ Herlock is the cleverest man that I’ve ever met.” - Stephen Hawking.
                          “ I wish that I could have achieved half as much as Herlock.”- Neil Armstrong.
                          “ What a voice Herlock has.” - Luciano Pavarotti.
                          “ I wish that I could dump Harry for Herlock.” - Meghan Markle.
                          “ I know that it’s not good to be jealous but I just can’t help it.” - John Holmes.

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by Herlock Sholmes View Post
                            Is there any possibility that Holmes suicide attempt was actually a murder attempt as he claimed? If it was a failed suicide attempt why didn’t he just try again?
                            A small possibility - there was powder and singe marks on his forehead so the gun barrel was against the skin, or at point blank range. If he was murdered (or looked like murder), his life assurance polices were valid; if suicide, invalid. He might not have considered the financial implications in his drunken state the first time.

                            I was thinking about why the shark had become ill and vomited?Could Smith have been drugged and it was the drugs that made the shark vomit?
                            It was more likely the rope. The arm was not digested so any drug would not have made it into the shark's system, I suggest. If you want to turn this into the Stoned Shark Arm case, you can start your own thread!

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by ColdCaseJury View Post

                              A small possibility - there was powder and singe marks on his forehead so the gun barrel was against the skin, or at point blank range. If he was murdered (or looked like murder), his life assurance polices were valid; if suicide, invalid. He might not have considered the financial implications in his drunken state the first time.



                              It was more likely the rope. The arm was not digested so any drug would not have made it into the shark's system, I suggest. If you want to turn this into the Stoned Shark Arm case, you can start your own thread!
                              Cheers Antony. I didn’t think that there was any mileage in the ‘drugged’ idea but I had to ask.

                              The rope is interesting. Why would there be a rope around the arm?
                              Regards

                              Herlock




                              “ Herlock is the cleverest man that I’ve ever met.” - Stephen Hawking.
                              “ I wish that I could have achieved half as much as Herlock.”- Neil Armstrong.
                              “ What a voice Herlock has.” - Luciano Pavarotti.
                              “ I wish that I could dump Harry for Herlock.” - Meghan Markle.
                              “ I know that it’s not good to be jealous but I just can’t help it.” - John Holmes.

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                              • #30
                                hi all
                                in just a quick glance on the case in wiki-im not sure if there is much of a mystery here. smith holmes and brady were all in criminal cahoots together and eventually turned on each other. seems rather straight forward to me-- brady killed smith, holmes broke under pressure and tried to kill himself, but was eventually killed by brady/accomplice. am i missing something?

                                i guess my main question would be-were holmes and brady in on the smith murder?
                                "Is all that we see or seem
                                but a dream within a dream?"

                                -Edgar Allan Poe


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                                quite tallies with the descriptions I got of him."

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