kennedy assassination

[jason_c]

In this interview Governor Connally says he heard a shot turned around and saw that Kennedy was shot and then he (Connally) was shot. This disproves the magic bullet scenario.

I suspect they made him change his testimony.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cP04_lGjkO0

Are you suggesting the conspiracists got to one of the most powerful politicians in America?

Heres a few gifs which suggest Connolly was shot at the same time as Kennedy.

http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/jbchit.htm

[rain]

Are you suggesting the conspiracists got to one of the most powerful politicians in America?

Heres a few gifs which suggest Connolly was shot at the same time as Kennedy.

http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/jbchit.htm

Connally said he looked back and then after that he was shot. His own words.

[Archaic]

What My Grandmother Told Me

I remember when I was a little girl of 10 and my Grandmother was telling me about President Kennedy. She was New York Irish Catholic & thought he was wonderful.
But what has stuck in my head my whole life is my Nana telling me that in America, "everything changed" after JFK was killed. She said America was one way before the assassination but was utterly changed afterward.

I distinctly remember her telling me that before JFK was killed America was much more open, trusting & friendly. I remember her saying these words, "People would walk down the street and say hello to everybody they met, even passing strangers."

Of course when I was a little older I realized it was the "Camelot" myth in action... and old age making the past seem especially golden.

But my grandmother said it with such genuine emotion, as if she truly felt it and believed it and actively mourned the loss of that more innocent and open America.

I can still see the expression on her face and feel her emotion; I was just a little girl, but I've never forgotten it... I know she believed it.

Best regards, Archaic

[Stephen Thomas]

All shots from the rear - no question.

Hi Stan

I'd say that there is a big question here as doctors who first attended JFK have stated that there was a definite small entry wound in his throat. Have a look at Archaic's personal recollection here in Post#9

http://forum.casebook.org/showthread.php?t=2908&highlight=bonnie+clyde

There's also a graceful little book by Charles Crenshaw, another of the surgeons, called JFK Conspiracy of Silence in which he says 'I also identified a small opening about the diameter of a pencil at the midline of his throat to be an entry bullet hole. There was no doubt in my mind about that wound. I had seen dozens of them in the emergency room'.

[rain]

Hi Stan

I'd say that there is a big question here as doctors who first attended JFK have stated that there was a definite small entry wound in his throat. Have a look at Archaic's personal recollection here in Post#9

http://forum.casebook.org/showthread.php?t=2908&highlight=bonnie+clyde

There's also a graceful little book by Charles Crenshaw, another of the surgeons, called JFK Conspiracy of Silence in which he says 'I also identified a small opening about the diameter of a pencil at the midline of his throat to be an entry bullet hole. There was no doubt in my mind about that wound. I had seen dozens of them in the emergency room'.

I watched the Zapruder film dozens of times. I was convinced he was shot in the throat from the front. I could not figure how.. then I found this article.

the man in the right I am sure shot Kennedy in the throat.

My scenario- when Kennedy got close- by the sign- the man in the white shirt raised his arm as signal and someone somewhere fired a shot as decoy- the other one shot him with a silencer or a dart gun as implied by the article.

You can see the white shirt in the Zapruder film..

http://www.jfk-assassination.de/articles/umbrella.php

[jason_c]

Stephen

Most Doctors who attended JFK are far more in agreement with the neck wound as an exit wound than you suggest.

As for Crenshaw's book, Crenshaw claimed the authors of the book "took poetic license" on his importance in attending to JFK. He told the NYT that his role was minor.

Crenshaw also claimed he walked into the Trauma Room with Dr. McClelland, that he and McClelland approached Dr. Perry (who was already treating Kennedy) together. However, Dr McClleland says that the neck wound was already obliterated by the tracheostomy when he arrived at Kennedy's side.

[Graham]

In 1977 I went to work at the American division of my then-employer, a large British company involved in the chemicals industry. The US branch was opened just after WW2, and one of the Englishmen who went out to set it up was still working there, in his late 60's. He was very Americanised, as you'd expect, and he used to say that the USA was a fabulous place in the 40's and 50's, but things went sour, as he put it, after November 22nd 1963. He was a hard-headed businessman and not given to much in the way of sentiment. I just wonder if his perception might have been slightly coloured by the rise in the civil-rights movement and the anti-Vietnam protests, amongst other things.

Graham

[rain]

In 1977 I went to work at the American division of my then-employer, a large British company involved in the chemicals industry. The US branch was opened just after WW2, and one of the Englishmen who went out to set it up was still working there, in his late 60's. He was very Americanised, as you'd expect, and he used to say that the USA was a fabulous place in the 40's and 50's, but things went sour, as he put it, after November 22nd 1963. He was a hard-headed businessman and not given to much in the way of sentiment. I just wonder if his perception might have been slightly coloured by the rise in the civil-rights movement and the anti-Vietnam protests, amongst other things.

Graham

Kennedy was very popular president. Many people were saddened when he died.

Also, a lot of people became suspicious when Ruby shot Oswald.

[Graham]

Also, a lot of people became suspicious when Ruby shot Oswald

If ever someone was silenced, it was Oswald. But I believe Ruby said virtually nothing before he, too, died, and always maintained that he shot Oswald because he, Ruby, 'loved JFK'. Yeah...

Graham

[Stephen Thomas]

I believe Ruby said virtually nothing before he, too, died, and always maintained that he shot Oswald because he, Ruby, 'loved JFK'. Yeah...

Indeed, Graham

He backtracked bigtime on that, though, when he said something like 'If I loved the President so much, how come I never went to see the parade?' I feel sorry for Ruby as he must have been pushed into doing what he did by his Mafia bosses and I'd say that anyone who believes otherwise is rather naive.

[jason_c]

Indeed, Graham

He backtracked bigtime on that, though, when he said something like 'If I loved the President so much, how come I never went to see the parade?' I feel sorry for Ruby as he must have been pushed into doing what he did by his Mafia bosses and I'd say that anyone who believes otherwise is rather naive.

Ruby likely killed Oswald on impulse. At the exact time when Oswald was due to be moved from the Dallas police station Jack Ruby was in a local Post office.

[Brad]

Ive fired tens of thousands of rounds from .22 short to a .458 winchester magnum. The 6.5 Carcano is a joke. It keyholes at 50 yards. Yes the shots were duplicated, not at Dealy Plaza but at a specially constructed range using the US. Armys best shot, and after the scope had been realigned. Perhaps the barrel had been rebored too or atleast defoweled. The 6.5 Carcano has been described as the most humane gun of war. Over 50 yards its totally inaccurate.
As far as shooter ratings Oswald's rating was "sharpshooter". Ratings start with "Novice"....You can hit your foot. "Marksman".....you can hit a barndoor half the time. "Sharpshooter".....barndoor alot. "Expert"...you can shoot.
Ive got several miliatry surplus rifles. A Springfield 30-06, a British .303, a Spanish 7X57 and a German 8mm. I had a chance to buy a 6.5 carcano before JFK was shot for 24 bucks. I think LHO bought his at Kleins mail order for $19.95 I read a review of this gun in either "OUTDOOR LIFE" or "SPORTS AFIELD" that totally condemed this gun as usless. Ive had a few friends who bought this gun and Ive fired maybe 200 rounds through 4 of them. This gun did'nt do it!
Also I've shot over 30 deer, countless smaller animals, pumpkins, gourds, bottles, tin cans and what have you. Never has anything I've shot done anything but move backward or in the case of a deer drop drop backward. JFK's head shot was from the front. LHO didnt do it.

[Archaic]

Hi, Brad.

I agree with you. Dr Carrico and all the other doctors and nurses at Parkland Hospital very clearly saw an entrance wound in Kennedy's throat. That bullet cannot have been fired by Oswald.

Best regards, Archaic

[Ron Beckett]

Guns

I agree also, Brad. Apart from the fact that the gun probably used(if there was one used from the Texas SBD) was first identified as a Mauser, by a detective who never retracted that statement, the Mannlicher -carcano became the gun of choice because the conspirators knew that one had been bought and could be traced to LHO.
There are so many undeniable facts now known that it's about time that the conspiracy theory that there was only one gunman should go to the garbage bin of history where it belongs.
I believe the book 'Blood, Money and Power' gives a good account of why the assassination took place.

[rain]

I agree also, Brad. Apart from the fact that the gun probably used(if there was one used from the Texas SBD) was first identified as a Mauser, by a detective who never retracted that statement, the Mannlicher -carcano became the gun of choice because the conspirators knew that one had been bought and could be traced to LHO.
There are so many undeniable facts now known that it's about time that the conspiracy theory that there was only one gunman should go to the garbage bin of history where it belongs.
I believe the book 'Blood, Money and Power' gives a good account of why the assassination took place.

the Bell video-
the crowd runs up the grassy knoll to get the shooter.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AhmeQicc6YE