kennedy assassination

[dougie]

Was Oswald a CIA operative, dougie?

There is nothing at all to suggest Oswald was a C.I.A operative....having said that even if he was,its doubtful it would be on record anyway.But looking at Oswalds character,he simply wasnt the kind of guy that any organisation of that nature would dream of employing....he was a complete oddball,unstable ,neurotic,unreliable,impulsive.Now some might say it was all an act,if so it was an act that lasted a lifetime.And if the cia employed him,they certainly didnt pay him
Funnily enough Ruby was a similar character,but he had another trait that oswald didnt..he had an explosive nature....he could be chatting amiabley one moment ,then launch a brutal physical attack merely because of a minor disagreement with the guy he had been chatting with seconds before.This apparently happened many times and for quite silly reasons.I think it was quite within the realms of possibility that he first wandered down rto the basement out of curiosity..saw oswald,exploded ,pulled out his gun and shot him, without any prior intention.That is the accepted reasoning,and its reasoning which,taking the elements of rubys character into consideration,seems very very plausible.
Now Ruby had dogs,dogs he doted on,he called them his babies,he was obsessed with them,many had noted it.Immediately before his shooting of oswald ,he parked alongside the police station,and left his dogs inside the car with ,i believe the windows open.Then went to the police basement and...bang!Now its hard to believe that those actions were the actions of a man who went to the basement with the pre-formed plan of assassinating Oswald.....on the contrary it fits the official version....as almost everything else does.The Warren commissions report was very well done,there are minor points it leaves unresolved,but nothing to undermine thier findings that Oswald acted alone,and Ruby likewise...in my opinion anyway
Im just interested Graham,why you feel oswald had help?would he really have needed it? and in what capacity?Unless we follow the path that the parkland doctors and most everybody else lied ,the facts seem to be that all the shots came from oswalds rifle and no other.If his partner (if he had one) was to help oswald in his getaway ,then one would have to say he was a slightly less than perfect accomplice Not saying its impossible,but its difficult to say exactly where any accomplice might fit in.
regards

[Graham]

His duty to the cause, or something like that....otherwise, what was he doing in the basement that night, and how the hell did he get in?

Graham

[Stephen Thomas]

Too busy making $$$'s out of his hookers, probably...until someone put him right.

Hi Graham

About what?

[sdreid]

Yes, at the distance Oswald was shooting, you don't really need a telescopic sight.

I love some the actors in the recreations who hold the sight right up near their eye like they're looking through a spyglass. If you shoot like that, you'll get a really big black eye from the recoil if not a fractured orbital bone.

[Graham]

Too busy making $$$'s out of his hookers, probably...until someone put him right.

Graham

[Stephen Thomas]

Hi Graham

To quote, sort of, Jack Ruby, if he loved the President so much, why didn't he go to the parade?

[Graham]

Hi all.

I don't know much about particular makes of rifle, but I do know that the Carcano (designed in 1891 I believe) was originally an Italian army carbine and was good for accurate shooting over a range far greater than that from the TSBD to where JFK was when he was hit. I've done a bit of shooting in my time, and I know that you don't have to be Davy Crockett to hit a target 1000' away with a decently set-up, relatively modern, rifle. Sounds a long way, but it isn't by shooting standards.

Probably unlike the vast majority of people writing to this thread, I've actually stood as close as one can get to where JFK was shot (in my case, very close to the Grassy Knoll - just up from the sidewalk where there's a car-park) and the distance from the 5th floor of the TSBD didn't seem that far to me. However, JFK was a moving target, moving away (and I think slightly to the right of a rifleman in the TSBD), which couldn't have made matters easier. If the fatal shots did come from the 5th floor of the TSBD, then they were good shots, but not brilliant. It would have been far harder had JFK been a deflection target, i.e., moving from L to R or vice versa. Maybe Bob Hinton could add to this.

I always thought that Oswald could have done it and had the necessary skill to do it, but at the same time I can't accept that he acted totally and completely alone. He had help, even though 'conspiracy' might be too much to describe the help he had. Like a lot of killers, I think his No 1 mistake was not getting the hell out of Dallas pronto, rather than hanging around almost waiting to be arrested.

I have to agree with Dougie that Oswald, whether or not he had any Mafia or CIA backing, hadn't got a pot to piss in, and the places he lived in really were semi-slums. It almost makes you think that his attitude might have been, "OK, I'll do it, but I do it for my own reasons and I don't want anything for it". Maybe.

Cheers,

Graham

[Stephen Thomas]

Was Oswald a CIA operative, dougie?

[dougie]

jr-ahde
There were a lot of things around according to garrison ,but most of his statements are a mixture of downright lies and elaborate distortion.
Osawld might have rented places "here and there",but it wasnt a sign of wealth,quite the opposite...the last "apartment" he rented was not much bigger than a large broom cupboard As for any cash he might have had,if thats what you are suggesting..he WAS as poor as the proverbial church mouse.
regards

[j.r-ahde]

Hello you all!

I'm sorry, if I repeat the same things mentioned here earlier, but;

According to Jim Garrison, there were also found a Mauser rifle from the firing distance. I know, that Mauser is a good rifle!

With Carcano, I know only the things I've read about; a cheap, not very good mailing-catalogue rifle. The aim, if I remember correctly, was totally out of order, while being found. But that, of course, could have been made after the shooting for misleading purposes...

Then, the main point; Oswald is said to have been poor like a church-mouse. How come he could afford to rent apartments here and there though?!

All the best
Jukka

[sdreid]

Yes, I think Oswald knew from the start that it was going to have to be a throwaway rifle so why be stupid and buy something like a Weatherby Custom rifle that might cost more than $1000 at the time. It's a much better rifle but Kennedy wouldn't be any deader because of it.

[cappuccina]

Frankly, it was all Oswald could get his hands on, moneywise, and he knew it could do the job, so he used it. No big mystery here, either.

[sdreid]

Hi Dougie,

No, it is not a weapon that you would normally think of regarding a professional. Then again, they used an M1 Carbine to bump off Bugsy Siegel and Bernie Shelton.

[dougie]

Stan
I really dont know much about how good or how bad a weapon a Carcano was ,other than knowing it was relatively cheap.......but would it have been a weapon a professional hit man(men) might use,? or come to that a weapon a well funded group like the mafia etc would provide for an assassination of that magnitude?
regards

[sdreid]

The crime has been reenacted several times with the same rifle and it did the job. 500 feet is close range for a rifle and Kennedy was closer that that.