kennedy assassination

Hi All,

This reminds me of the royal conspiracy to 'off' MJK in November 1888 in the most public way imaginable.

You'd think, if the JFK conspirators didn't want to leave people convinced that there was a conspiracy, that they would not have had him shot in public and in the full view of the media at all, but would have had him die alone in the woods, as if by his own hand.

Or fixed his lovemobile so it would plunge off a bridge and drown him with his latest piece of fluff.

Love,

Caz
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Hello to all those who have spoken for or against a JFK murder conspiracy. I was twenty years old when the 35th president was shot and killed, and although I was not a JFK political supporter the ensuing mystery immediatly caught my interest. forty-five years and thousands of readings and data studies later I believe that nearly that entire span of time was needed by me to unravel the enigma within the forest of mirrors that metamorphoused out of the brief criminal "reality" that occurred in just matter of minutes on November 23d 1963. I began the journey toward "who killed Kennedy" with the same fog of ignorance that all my fellow Americans and other globally curious observers suffered from, and because of this I went through the same series of erronious conclusions that I had to run over and over through the tests of logic gates and "evidence." I took some thirty-five years for me to rule out who was not the killer befor I could settle down to finally find a politically correct suspect to have possibly engineered such a grandly scaled crime of the century.

What fed and will always feed the government conspiracy monster for me was always the covering up of evidence by most of the Presidential dynasties that came to power post JFK, and I am presently awed that as recently as 2004 that the Bush, Ford, and Johnson presidential families could still deep six a graphic data program played to a global audience over the History channel, a film clip thatwas "dissapeared" by the power that obviously be to the point that what I had witnessed on a satelite network was gone from human access within a matter of days, possibly never to be seen again. I however being such a "buff" was Johny on the spot and luckily viewed in its entirety this literary victim of a none existant freedom of information myth. What I saw was consistant with my own conclusions up to a point. That point being the thirty-five year mark of my studies, to where I began to understand who had not masterminded the JFK conspiracy. It was apparent from my obsevation of this film clip documentary why? the data was permanently remove from human access, because it (the film) put a foot down in taboo territory despite being quite in error in its conclusions of LBJ being a mastermind of the JFK conspiracy. This film showed what a seriously criminal president LBJ was and it put him smack dab in the middle of the conspiracy organization, but he according to my studies Lyndon lacked the top political dog prerequisites of a Kennedy assisination formulator.

they say to never watch what a politician says, but rather watch where his feet have gone, well the night of Nov. 22, 1963 the history channel did prove that Lyndon Johnson' and Richard Nixon's feet took them to a seriously wrong party in Dallas Texas!. So we all know why this film just up and followed the dodo into extinction. this is prima facie large scale contemporay cover up conspiracy fact like the sequestering of JFK evidence into the national archives for fifty years, and is not coincidence. When you look at the Zapruder film some time don't put to much credance in the movement of Kennedy's head that can be influenced by frame manipulation, but rather follow the direction old Jack's scull cap that Jackie follows over the trunk lid of the limo. It is so obvious that most everyone on this site has never put a bullet into the back or the front of a human being's head, and so will meekly let some "scientific" expert tell you "what it is" that you are seeing.

Thirty-five years was what it took for me to gain any insight into the kller's motive, and then I had to overcome my reluctance to defile the memory of so many american presidents befor and after Kennedy was murdered. Kennedy's killer was a peer from on high who was not motivate by political objectives to kill him, but did what he did from a personal afront suffered at the stupidiy and arrogance of his victim. This killer was a western cowboy stile movie and literary buff and wanted to kill his man at high noon and in the streets of a Texas town in the stae of his birth to blow the man's brains from his head in a public sisplay of his rightious anger. This killer was familure with masterminding more than one political assisination to his credit long befor he insured that Kennedy woulf meet his maker, and that truly great old man died without any blemish or smear upon his honor. No Nixon or Johnson with their mundane form of corruption and little minds could have set that stage in Dallas and the mafia as a suspect is entirely laughable along with the CIA as being anything but proxies to be used again and again as scapegoats and shills by the old man I finally discovered as the grandmaster of the conspiracy chessboard. As the bible states "seek and you shall find," but only if you seek long and hard enough and never let the silly term conspiracy buff coined by the likes of Gerald Posner of any other literary shill of the CIA dessuade you from your hunt.

[caz]

Hi Dougie,

Indeed. Or lock him in the loo with twenty deep-fried peanut butter and jelly sandwiches.

But then again no.

He'd keep coming back.

Love,

Caz
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[dougie]

Hi All,



You'd think, if the JFK conspirators didn't want to leave people convinced that there was a conspiracy, that they would not have had him shot in public and in the full view of the media at all, but would have had him die alone in the woods, as if by his own hand.



Love,

Caz
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I dont think anyone (even me ) could argue with that common sense statement. A tablet in his coffee which would induce a fatal heart attack and leave no trace would have been perfect.Im sure the CIA,FBI OR MAFIA would have been able to "find" something of that kind.
regards

[caz]

Hi All,

This reminds me of the royal conspiracy to 'off' MJK in November 1888 in the most public way imaginable.

You'd think, if the JFK conspirators didn't want to leave people convinced that there was a conspiracy, that they would not have had him shot in public and in the full view of the media at all, but would have had him die alone in the woods, as if by his own hand.

Or fixed his lovemobile so it would plunge off a bridge and drown him with his latest piece of fluff.

Love,

Caz
X

[sdreid]

Hi Dougie,

I don't think you'd see any perceptible wandering from a rifle slug at that short a distance. Of course, it would drop a little due to gravity and be pushed to one side or the other by wind if there was any.

[dougie]

Stan,
As you seem to know a bit about weapons etc.....Isnt it true that a bullet when fired goes a certain distance then begins ,obviously to slow down,but also "wander" a bit..if so any idea at what distance that would occur roughly to a bullet fired from that particular weapon?
I never got a chance when I was in N ireland to measure that kind of thing....I was too busy ducking
regards

[sdreid]

ive seen the footage & his brains blew out backwards. to the left rear.

bullets do not speed up when they enter a body to create an effect like this, they are given drag by the body.

What?

Who said bullets speed up? The muzzle velocity of the Mannlicher Carcano is about Mach 2 and it only passed though 200' of air and 5" of tissue before it fragmented and exited.

[dougie]

The "head backsnap".....points to ponder.
In 1975 CBS asked ITEK Corporation a Massachusetts photo optic company to study the zapruder film.They used the most advanced photo analysis techniques etc available at that time. Over several months a staff of dozens of specialists did just that. Among many findings returned to CBS the backward head snap sequence was studied.ITEK proved that BEFORE kennedys head moved backwards it had indeed moved forwards approx 2.3 inches,his shoulders 1.1 inches immediately after the bullet hit its target.Its not visible as such watching the film,but it was proved beyond doubt that that is indeed what happened.John Wolf president of itek told dan rather in a CBS tv broadcast in november 25th 1975 "When the bullet struck ,the presidents head moved forward with extreme speed almost twice as rapidly as it subsequently travelled backwards"
Another point following on from that ,is that not only was kennedys head driven forward.....but also downwards..which would be expected from a shot from the rear and from high up.These results were followed up and confirmed.
Heres another...Larry sturdivan a research wound ballistics scientist at the biophysics laboratory in maryland said this in answer to a questions "Are you troubled by the presidents head being thrown back?" He relied "No the neuromuscular reaction in which the heavy back muscles of a human predominate over the lighter abdominal muscles meant that he (kennedy) would have been thrust backward no matter where the bullet came from ,whether it entered the side back or the front of the head.
Further analysis of frame z313 of the zapruder film shows graphic evidence that the fatal head shot came from the rear.....spray of blood,bone and brain fragments a millisecond after the president was shot goes to the front.
Remember that watching that film in that medium ,approxiametely half of the movements are lost....obviously because cine film from a home movie camera isnt a moving film its a series of static individual frames joined together to give the illusion of movement....there is a lag of course between each frame maybe a fraction of a second ,but none the more for that some data is obviously lost..hence the need for analysis of individual frames to determine what cant be seen from a simple viewing of the movie.
regards

[joelhall]

i dont claim that they all came from the front, just that the head shot to jfk could not have come from behind and up. also bullets missing and hitting something solid of the material of these type would fragment, same as they do on bone.

im a very good shot with infantry training. to be sure of a kill on a high-risk target, moving, would be extremely stupid to use just one sniper with a sport rifle and low-cost scope produced then. even more stupid would be to fire that rapid in succession lowering the chances of a kill and giving away your position. if oswald had been a marine i doubt hed make such a simple blunder. i would say at least three snipers would be positioned.

looking at maps and diagrams of the area though, id have probably picked the same location.

i also wonder how oswald planned this? the original route would have made it even more tricky for him. im not one to off presidents, but his choice of position seems very unlikely if he were acting alone.

[dougie]

If the shots came from the front,how come there were bullet fragments in the front part of the limousine on the floor?
I cant see how its possible to deny the shots came from the back,when every piece of evidence confirms they did....and no evidence at all shows they came from the front(as Stan says)
regards

[joelhall]

If anyone was shooting from the the front or side, they missed.

front side and down is the only likely origin of this bullet. a bullet from the grassy knoll would maybe just about do it, though i dont think it likely either.

[sdreid]

If anyone was shooting from the the front or side, they missed.

[joelhall]

The explosion in the right-front of the President's head, caused by the supersonic shock-wave exit of the projectile as it exits, blows the head back and to the left. A muscle spasm probably exaggerated this movement as well. As has been stated, the head moves slightly forward in the previous frame when the bullet strikes the back of the head. If he was shot from the grassy knoll, the left-rear of his head would have been blown out by the exit. There is absolutely no evidence whatsoever that a shot came from anywhere but the rear.

sorry but no. ive seen the footage & his brains blew out backwards. to the left rear. if you zoom and slow the video you will see this very clearly indeed. the other flaw of course is that the snipers nest was to the rear right of kennedy, not the left. a bullet fast enough to cause that type of head wound at that distance would go on straight, not turn inside the body. the trajectory youre implying would have the bullet coming from main street.

the blast on exit would not cause this to happen either. the stopping power from the bullet throws the head, momentum pulls it. bullets do not speed up when they enter a body to create an effect like this, they are given drag by the body. also, just before, his head tilts down slowly before being thrust back. initial impact has the effect of a powerful punch, the penetration is like thrusting a stick into jelly. the initial impact would certainly cause more movement than this.

[dougie]

Im no expert but,So many many experts in the field say the shots came from the back..only the conspiracy theorists say from the front.....now if it was so obvious and impossible for the shots to have come from anywhere other than the front,how come the shots from behind myth has been allowed to standfor 50 years?Has almost everyone been bribed to say the opposite of the truth? its inconceivable

[sdreid]

The explosion in the right-front of the President's head, caused by the supersonic shock-wave exit of the projectile as it exits, blows the head back and to the left. A muscle spasm probably exaggerated this movement as well. As has been stated, the head moves slightly forward in the previous frame when the bullet strikes the back of the head. If he was shot from the grassy knoll, the left-rear of his head would have been blown out by the exit. There is absolutely no evidence whatsoever that a shot came from anywhere but the rear.