kennedy assassination

[cappuccina]

If you look at Frame 312-313 of the Zapruder Film...

...Kennedy's head goes violently forward, a reaction to being shot from the rear...

You are correct, Stan...

[sdreid]

Went through the film frame by frame and it came from the rear

[Phryne Fisher]

Read it all ; seen it all . Over and over and over again. Now I only know one thing for sure: the shot that killed JFK came from the front.

/Basil Fawlty/ Is this a piece of your brain? /BF/

[Phryne Fisher]

After yet another weekend spent reading about this, I still haven't made up my mind. I'm less conspiracy-inclined than when I first posted here, but by no means completely convinced by The Lone Gunman conclusion.

I think some of the pro-conspiracy sites 'shoot themselves in the foot' (not sure from which direction though ) with the welter of stuff (won't say 'facts' or 'information', although some of it might be) they post. For god's sake, listing dozens of conflicting alternative theories doesn't help in dis-crediting the Warren Commission findings. It just makes you look like confused idiots clutching wildly at straws!

The site I'm most impressed by so far is this one: http://www.maryferrell.org/wiki/inde..._Assassination . I'd say it's pro-conspiracy overall, but it seems to take a more rational approach than many others, and presents information from all sources, leaving the reader to make up their own mind. It also has loads of links and resources.

I'm not ignoring the official documents of the Warren Commission, HSCA, ARRB etc; I'm ploughing through them, but there are so many it'll take me years to read them all

[dougie]

The trouble is there are so many "facts" out there that arent facts at all.Its a case of seperating the wheat from the chaff,its a long process,and a difficult one.Some authors should be ashamed of themselves propogating the seemingly endless amount of nonsense that has been written about the case.

[Phryne Fisher]

Phryne Fisher

The FBI taking JFK's body away is explicable. JFK was President of the United States. This was a huge case for many government agencies. Not for the first time did the FBI get its way in a turf war against competing organizations.

We also have to bear in mind the Kennedy family's role in this. Jacqueline and Bobby quite possibly wanted JFK's body taken to DC with them. There are indications at least the RFK did try to hurry up the autopsy on his brother. He wished Kennedy's former health problems kept quiet.

A week on (damn having to go to work ) and having done more reading today; you're right, jason_c, and I was wrong. It was Kennedy's family who insisted on his body being removed from Dallas and taken to Washington. Bobby Kennedy flew down there and brought 'em back.

My god! There's so much information out there; so many theories and counter-theories; so many incidents and witnesses endorsed by one 'side' while being scornfully dismissed by the other...and all using the same facts in different ways to support their own point-of-view. I think MY head's going to explode

[jason_c]

Oops, i forgot to post the link in my above post.

http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/jbchit.htm

[dougie]

There is only one thing that gives me pause for thought regarding any kind of conspiracy,and that is the Sylvia Odio testimony.Its never been completely refuted.Of course its only one womans testimony,but the circumstances surrounding it and her character seems to suggest that she was telling the truth as she saw it..The dates she gives would need to be a day or two out but several things regarding her testimony and oswalds known movements ring true.Its a strange episode.Try looking it up,its hard to discard out of hand.
regards

[jason_c]

...I was wondering if anyone had ever had a closer look at it with the benefit of modern technology; thinking maybe it would reveal more if some clever computery type could slow it down, sharpen it up and generally enhance it. Might even spot a bullet coming from one direction or the other...

Of course, I've been well beaten to it

http://www.google.com/search?client=...UTF-8&oe=UTF-8


More reading to do, damn it

Heres a link that shows Connallys jackets up close. It shows the lapel of his jacket moving as if been shot through.


The link you showed of Connallys reacton on being hit was interesting. Im unsure on it being the instant he was hit. Kennedy never made such a violent move forward when he was hit. The link above tries to suggest Connally was hit earlier.

[Phryne Fisher]

That Zapruder Film...

...I was wondering if anyone had ever had a closer look at it with the benefit of modern technology; thinking maybe it would reveal more if some clever computery type could slow it down, sharpen it up and generally enhance it. Might even spot a bullet coming from one direction or the other...

Of course, I've been well beaten to it

http://www.google.com/search?client=...UTF-8&oe=UTF-8


More reading to do, damn it

[dougie]

OSwald actually was refused a visa and obviously entry into cuba shortly before the assassination,weeks or months I cant recall offhand.And the cuban officials who spoke to oswald formed the opinion he was a highly emotional and disturbing individual.Oswald apparently was extremely agitated during his interview and at one stage burst into tears.Maybe in some odd way ,this was the catalyst for his actions....to prove to the cuban authorities he was a follower of castro, and worthy of a visa? who knows?

[The Good Michael]

I personally don't believe in a conspiracy, but I can understand the reasons many do. I think if one really researches Oswald and his life, it is fairly easy to follow his digression as a human being to the point where he could do this alone.
Remember that this was a man who felt betrayed by the U.S., betrayed by Russia, and saw some salvation in Castro and his brand of communism. It's not difficult to follow his skewed logic.

This doesn't mean that he acted alone, though I believe he did as his ego seemed to be such that he couldn't have had a partner or boss in such an enterprise. I understand the various arguments for and against the lone assassin, especially the mechanical reasoning re: the bullets, the rifle(s), the sounds, etc..., yet the psyche alone of Oswald indicates a man that would have acted alone, and one who would have been unwilling to share the glory had he gotten away to Cuba.

Cheers,

Mike

[dougie]

Dear hollydolly(and others), If you want to know personally why LBJ did it,read the recent(last few years) book called Blood, Money and Power by Barr Mclellan. He was an attorney who worked for Ed Clark who was Johnson's attorney/fixer. They had tried to influence a federal investigator called Henry Marshall but he was killed and Bobby Kennedy was on the trail
The only way out was for Johnson to become President. They controlled Dallas/Texas along with Big Oil. They could do anything there. Remember how Jack Ruby said in his televised interview that he would talk if Earl Warren would take him to Washington. He also said the conspiracy was all the way to the top. He was telling the truth. Read also "Oswald Talked", a book that shows that Jack Ruby and Oswald were involved in gun running and that the FBI was surveilling them. Jim Garrison's book shows how the cover-up was done from the Intelligence agencies and the bit that hurts was that Johnson sent Ed Clark to Australia as Ambassador to get him out of the way. Also in Garrisons book is the info that another bullet was pulled out of JFK in the autopsy and concealed for years. Dulles ran the Warren commission, and the House Investigation into assassinations (1976) was kept away from the evidence - Garrison explains how. The evidence is overwhelming.

Ron Beckett,
The vast majority of these conspiracy books are replete with innacuracies,distortions and yes lies.Anonymous conversations are the main statements of proof in these publications.Its easy to be beguiled and led astray by such works and of course by the many random internet sites that put forward these nonsensical theories.There is NO evidence that oswald and ruby even knew each other..much less ran a gun running operation .Garrisons works are as much fiction as fact...probabley more so.The arguments against oswald being a patsy are many,the evidence pointing to him being a patsy doesnt exist.
regards

[Phryne Fisher]

Cheers, Jason. I didn't know that. (like I said, I'm a beginner!)

What do you think to that footage then?

[jason_c]

Phryne Fisher

The FBI taking JFK's body away is explicable. JFK was President of the United States. This was a huge case for many government agencies. Not for the first time did the FBI get its way in a turf war against competing organizations.

We also have to bear in mind the Kennedy family's role in this. Jacqueline and Bobby quite possibly wanted JFK's body taken to DC with them. There are indications at least the RFK did try to hurry up the autopsy on his brother. He wished Kennedy's former health problems kept quiet.