kennedy assassination

[Ally]

Magpie,

And I was replying to someone elses use of the word ..LOL. In any case the Conspiracy theorists use "mint" with the bullet to indicate that it was not completely and totally deformed like the movies would have you believe a fired bullet must always be. The bullet had some deformity to it, but not as much as they think it ought to have so they say it was mint. I generally just go with the parlance of the people I am speaking to, rarely going out of my way to correct semantics if their point is understood.

[Doctor X]

The magic bullet was not just "magic" it was "ridiculous".

Save that it has been recreated.

It's nowhere near been proven that the bullets that killed JFK were fired from the TSBD.

Save the shot has been repeatedly created.

By U.S law the autopsy should have been performed where the heinous deed was carried out.

Ipse dixit but incorrect; autopsies are performed at different locations for various reasons. You may disagree with it, but it is not relevant to the finding.

The 888 page Warren Report was the biggest cover-up ever.

I would have rather thought Hitler's investigation of the fire at the Reichstag proved just a bit more obfucatory. . . .

None of your claims address the evidence previously reported.

Now . . . when do you have actual evidence that overturns the current findings?

--J.D.

[jimarilyn]

Oswald Didnt renounce his citizenship, or rather he didnt follow up on that request, and His citizenship WASNT renounced.
The so called "magic bullet" wasnt magic at all.Tests showed it acted in a way that it could reasonabley be expected to.
The shots that were fired at Kennedy were proved to have come from the depository,they couldnt have come from anywhere else....thats been proven.
Oswald wasnt a poor shot.
His re-entry into the US WASNT allowed at "amazing speed",other examples show that clearly.
The autopsy in dallas issue.The autopsy was carried out well within the limits law allowed.Its complicated state of affairs but its not really an issue.
The warren commission report was not a cover up,in fact completely the opposite, no stone was left unturned, every aspect was covered.There are 27 volumes of the commissions work aeound 18,000 pages and around 11,000,000 words.the commission took testimony affadavits etc fromover 550 witnesses, 10 times the number of witnesses called before congressional committee that investigated Pearl harbour for instance. The FBI conducted 25,000 interviews and handed in 2,300 seperate reports. 80 extra agents were sent to dallas in the immediate aftermath and over 3,000 items of evidence were handed over to the Warren commission. quote" never in history was a crime probed so intensely,and never before was an inquiry subjected to such intense scrutiny" unquote.....Now if there was a cover up,god knows how many people must have participated in it.
All your questions can be answered,but suffice it to say there has never been any evidence that a conspiracy occurred....but i guess its more fun to think that everyone except the Pope was involved.
regards

The magic bullet was not just "magic" it was "ridiculous".

It's nowhere near been proven that the bullets that killed JFK were fired from the TSBD.

By U.S law the autopsy should have been performed where the heinous deed was carried out.

The 888 page Warren Report was the biggest cover-up ever. LBJ even made sure that the 70 year old former CIA Chief Allen Dulles (fired from that position in 1961 by JFK) was one of the key members of the Commission. And Dulles did not like Kennedy one iota (to put it mildly).

There are 26 Volumes of testimony, documents and exhibits, not 27 as you say.

I suggest you read the full 26 volumes (they are available on-line for anyone to study, see the link below). It took me well over a year to plough through those many thousands of pages. Once anyone has read and studied these volumes it becomes as plain as the nose on one's face that the 888 page Warren Report bears hardly any resemblance to some of the dynamite stuff that is in those 26 volumes of testimony, documents and exhibits (these same 26 volumes also contain hundreds of pages of inane stuff that has absolutely nothing to do with the assassination).

http://www.aarclibrary.org/publib.htm

[Doctor X]

Quick note on Hoover:

If he was a transvestite, it doesn't necessary mean he was gay

He lived with the same man for many years. I am not saying that makes it definitive proof, but--as a good friend would quip "where there's smoke, honey, there's flames!"

Not . . . that there is anything wrong with that. . . .

However from reports I've read, there was a significantly higher quantity of lead remaining in Connelly's body than was missing from the bullet.

I am unaware of any such report; I am further unaware of how they would determine that.

(I used "mint" in reference to Ally's post--I realize that it was flattened somewhat).

Understood, but "mint" is one of those myths about the case--not unlike "the Ripper was seen walking about with a medical bag!" myths.

How about a true conspiracy--the murder of Kurt Cobain

A lamer? He was married to Courtney Love . . . I consider it euthanasia. . . .

Yours grungely,

--J.D.

[Magpie]

How about a true conspiracy--the murder of Kurt Cobain

[Magpie]

It never was in "mint" condition. It was deformed as expected. In fact, in the recreation of the shot, the bullet is deformed similarly.

Yours truly,

--J.D.

However from reports I've read, there was a significantly higher quantity of lead remaining in Connelly's body than was missing from the bullet.

(I used "mint" in reference to Ally's post--I realize that it was flattened somewhat).

[Magpie]

Quick note on Hoover:

If he was a transvestite, it doesn't necessary mean he was gay--far from it. Something like 75% of transvestites are heterosexual, and in fact are classified as "strongly heterosexual".

I can see where someone of that era, trying to smear Hoover as a whoopsy, would mistakenly think that accounts of his dressing up in women's clothes would be the ultimate proof of homosexuality, but they'd be sorely mistaken.

[Doctor X]

Can someone explain how the magic bullet (and I do agree that there's a lot of guff about it flying around) could have been "mint" when more lead remained in Connelly's body than was missing from it?

It never was in "mint" condition. It was deformed as expected. In fact, in the recreation of the shot, the bullet is deformed similarly.

Yours truly,

--J.D.

[Magpie]

Can someone explain how the magic bullet (and I do agree that there's a lot of guff about it flying around) could have been "mint" when more lead remained in Connelly's body than was missing from it?

[Doctor X]

What? You think we like you?!






Been on a page supposedly devoted to baseball where it was run by "Tw00fers"--these are the asshats who think 9/11 was a conspiracy. A few tied it into Kennedy, of course. Disappointed, thought, because none of them were as wacky at one guy on another site who claimed it was do to an invisible UFO--I am not making that up.

Then there was the guy who thought it was a plot between the remnant of the Nazis and Mossad. Yup. You do not really want to know anything further about that idiot.

Sad thing is, the information is there. Conspiracists spend a lot of time reading Al Gore's interwebs, various conspiracy and revisionist books . . yet NEVER read the science or actual evidence. When the rarely do, they read it with a "this all LIES" viewpoint.

I gather they just do not want to know they have not discovered something "extraordinary."

Yours truly,

--J.D.

[Roy Corduroy]

Lee Oswald killed President Kennedy acting alone.

Sirhan Sirhan killed Robert F. Kennedy acting alone.

Jimmy Ray killed Reverend Martin Luther King acting alone.

Sincerely,
Roy

Hello everyone. Quoting myself! It was pompous of me to say that and not say why. Here's why:

President Kennedy

Warren Commission
Death of a President - Manchester
Reclaiming History – Bugliosi
Case Closed – Posner
Marina and Lee – Johnson McMillan
Oswald’s Tale – Mailer
Asssignment Oswald – Hosty

Robert F. Kennedy

The Killing of Robert F. Kennedy – Moldea
Why Robert Kennedy was killed – Jansen

Martin Luther King

Killing the Dream – Posner
The making of an assassin - McMillan

If you have not read any of these, I suggest starting with Mailer. He did after all write for a living.

And YankeeSergeant, your quote about history repeating itself is apropo. In agent Hosty's book he has a list of information bits from CIA, FBI, Naval Intellegence, etc, which, if properly shared before that fateful day in November, might have raised an alarm about Oswald. His book was written in the 90's but that part was predictive of 9/11 and reminiscent of Pearl Harbor.

When our president was killed the whole world cried. And to some extent the other two were copycats.

I want to thank you people for discussing this with me. I would never have the guts to go out on an assasination site.

Again, I am humbly yours,

Roy

[Doctor X]

Indeed.

And all of those have been answered previously. Some think because they have never bothered to look, no one else knows.

--J.D.

[dougie]

All: I won't go as far as to say that Oswald wasn't involved however, I do believe he was a patsy as he said.
The question of the magic bullet is: could it have made the numerous wounds that it did and still be almost "mint"? I don't believe so. Could the shot have been made from the Texas book depsoitory 6th floor? Short answer yes. However if Oswald was a patsy then the most likely scenario is: Oswald shoots from the depository but not necessarily hitting anything A second shooter shoots from either the grassy knoll or the railroad bridge. this would be the fatal shot and Oswald's possibly hitting Connally. There are several quesation that I don't believe have adequately been answered.
-Supposedly Oswald was a poor shot How does the Warren Commission account for that (or Bugliosi)?
- If Oswald was the mental case portrayed by the Warren Commission why did the government let him back in the country after he defected and renounced his citizenship. This was done with amazing speed for the time unless he actually was some sort of intellegence operative.
-Why was the Mannlicher-Carcano initially identified as a Mauser? Surely the Dallas detectives knew the difference. ADmitterdly the two rifles look similar but one of the policemen stated that he read the Mauser name on the barrel.
-Why 90 seconds after the shooting was Oswald spotted in the 2nd floor cafeteria calm and not breathing hard after supposedly shooting Kennedy and Connally, hiding the weapon and running down four flights of stairs? The man must have been a consumate actor.
- Why wasn't the autopsy done in Dallas as required by Texas law? AT that time there was no precedent to have the federal government hijack the investigation. the last presidential assassination was that of McKinley and the investigation was done by the state of New York (That actually was a lone nut).
- Why were the wounds as described by the doctors in dallas different from thos inthe Bethesda autopsy? Notably, the doctors at Parkland Memorial stated that they merely had to widen the throat wound to insert the trachea tube and they describe that as an entrance wound. These were ER doctors who were used to seeing gunshot victyims. I find it difficult to see how they would mistake an entrance wound for an exit wound.
- Why wasn't Ruby stopped? Even then if you had a high profile prisoner steps were taken to ensure he or she would make it to trial. Was it an honest mistake?
I believe that there was a conspiracy and certain elements in the government after the fact kept the facts from coming to light. Perhaps they were afraid that it would result in war or civil unrest. Perhaps they were covering their own mistakes. Either way we will likely never know. The shame of that is that no matter his faults and staying away from what he might have done, the legally elected president was killed and we got no closure from the government.

Oswald Didnt renounce his citizenship, or rather he didnt follow up on that request, and His citizenship WASNT renounced.
The so called "magic bullet" wasnt magic at all.Tests showed it acted in a way that it could reasonabley be expected to.
The shots that were fired at Kennedy were proved to have come from the depository,they couldnt have come from anywhere else....thats been proven.
Oswald wasnt a poor shot.
His re-entry into the US WASNT allowed at "amazing speed",other examples show that clearly.
The autopsy in dallas issue.The autopsy was carried out well within the limits law allowed.Its complicated state of affairs but its not really an issue.
The warren commission report was not a cover up,in fact completely the opposite, no stone was left unturned, every aspect was covered.There are 27 volumes of the commissions work aeound 18,000 pages and around 11,000,000 words.the commission took testimony affadavits etc fromover 550 witnesses, 10 times the number of witnesses called before congressional committee that investigated Pearl harbour for instance. The FBI conducted 25,000 interviews and handed in 2,300 seperate reports. 80 extra agents were sent to dallas in the immediate aftermath and over 3,000 items of evidence were handed over to the Warren commission. quote" never in history was a crime probed so intensely,and never before was an inquiry subjected to such intense scrutiny" unquote.....Now if there was a cover up,god knows how many people must have participated in it.
All your questions can be answered,but suffice it to say there has never been any evidence that a conspiracy occurred....but i guess its more fun to think that everyone except the Pope was involved.
regards

[Ally]

Yes the bullet could have made all those hits and still been mint. It's not even required to have an opinion because re-creations using the samer era and type ammo and flesh dummies have proved that not only is it possible IT HAS BEEN DONE.

Conspiracy theorists who hang their case on the "magic bullet" are holding on to smoke. Recreations have proved it IS possible.

[YankeeSergeant]

Oswald

All: I won't go as far as to say that Oswald wasn't involved however, I do believe he was a patsy as he said.
The question of the magic bullet is: could it have made the numerous wounds that it did and still be almost "mint"? I don't believe so. Could the shot have been made from the Texas book depsoitory 6th floor? Short answer yes. However if Oswald was a patsy then the most likely scenario is: Oswald shoots from the depository but not necessarily hitting anything A second shooter shoots from either the grassy knoll or the railroad bridge. this would be the fatal shot and Oswald's possibly hitting Connally. There are several quesation that I don't believe have adequately been answered.
-Supposedly Oswald was a poor shot How does the Warren Commission account for that (or Bugliosi)?
- If Oswald was the mental case portrayed by the Warren Commission why did the government let him back in the country after he defected and renounced his citizenship. This was done with amazing speed for the time unless he actually was some sort of intellegence operative.
-Why was the Mannlicher-Carcano initially identified as a Mauser? Surely the Dallas detectives knew the difference. ADmitterdly the two rifles look similar but one of the policemen stated that he read the Mauser name on the barrel.
-Why 90 seconds after the shooting was Oswald spotted in the 2nd floor cafeteria calm and not breathing hard after supposedly shooting Kennedy and Connally, hiding the weapon and running down four flights of stairs? The man must have been a consumate actor.
- Why wasn't the autopsy done in Dallas as required by Texas law? AT that time there was no precedent to have the federal government hijack the investigation. the last presidential assassination was that of McKinley and the investigation was done by the state of New York (That actually was a lone nut).
- Why were the wounds as described by the doctors in dallas different from thos inthe Bethesda autopsy? Notably, the doctors at Parkland Memorial stated that they merely had to widen the throat wound to insert the trachea tube and they describe that as an entrance wound. These were ER doctors who were used to seeing gunshot victyims. I find it difficult to see how they would mistake an entrance wound for an exit wound.
- Why wasn't Ruby stopped? Even then if you had a high profile prisoner steps were taken to ensure he or she would make it to trial. Was it an honest mistake?
I believe that there was a conspiracy and certain elements in the government after the fact kept the facts from coming to light. Perhaps they were afraid that it would result in war or civil unrest. Perhaps they were covering their own mistakes. Either way we will likely never know. The shame of that is that no matter his faults and staying away from what he might have done, the legally elected president was killed and we got no closure from the government.