JonBenet Ramsey Update

[nugnug]

i am glad they have stopped accusing the parents as far as i can see they had no reason to

[Tom_Wescott]

The evidence is concrete that the murder was an inside job. The problem is that there were 3 people inside and no clear evidence to seperate one from the other two. You obviously can't convict them all, so that's why it was impossible to bring a charge against either or both Patsy and John. Personally, I'm satisfied that Patsy did it and John probably was none the wiser.

Yours truly,

Tom Wescott

[cappuccina]

Wow! I actually completely agree with you, and your summary is succinct and polite...Amazing!

[j.r-ahde]

Hello Tom!

I don't like to say it, but I agree with you about it; someone inside the family committed the murder!

All the best
Jukka

[Roy Corduroy]

I agree with the federal judge who, upon reviewing the matter in 2003 in a defamation lawsuit, ruled there is no evidence the Ramseys commited the murder.

http://www.truthinjustice.org/ramsey.htm

The "new" development was 2008 when the DA officially cleared the Ramseys.

http://www.thedenverchannel.com/download/2008/0709/16834100.pdf

Roy

[Tom_Wescott]

And a jury cleared OJ Simpson and Lizzie Borden. Sorry, the evidence speaks far louder than a judge and a biased DA.

Yours truly,

Tom Wescott

[Jonathan H]

The so-called circumstantial evidence against the Ramseys long ago was exposed as hopelessly flimsy -- and that is giving it too much credence. They have been officially cleared. Justice delayed, as they say, is not justice denied.

The image catastrophe for the tragic family was that the daughter was often done up like a child molester's delight due to a specific, old-fashioned, Southern sub-culture -- child pageants -- utterly alien and repugnant to the majority.

Another factor was that the Boulder police, inexperienced with homicides, did not thoroughly search the home on their first visit. They would have found the deceased little girl immediately. Failing to do this kept alive the killer's cruel 'prank' that it was a kidnapping/ransom crime when it wasn't.

The Ramseys did something which made legal sense -- especially when dealing with jittery, incompetent cops -- but which torpedoed their public reps; they refused to speak to police, without counsel. This gave the impression of something hideous to hide AND that arrogant rich murderers, eg. like OJ, were getting away with it yet again.

[Roy Corduroy]

I agree with Judge Carnes because she looked at the evidence.

Carnes' order also lists a series of largely uncontested facts that suggest an intruder entered the Ramsey home and murdered JonBenét. Among them:

• At least seven windows and a door in the Ramsey home were found open or unlocked after JonBenét disappeared. The alarm was off and windows were accessible from the ground level, including three that opened into the basement.

• Evidence suggested that an intruder climbed through a basement window and walked through the room where JonBenét was found.

• JonBenét's body was bound with complicated rope slipknots and a garrote that the order described as "sophisticated bondage devices" by someone "with an expertise in bondage." No evidence suggests the Ramseys knew how to tie such knots.

• Black duct tape found on JonBenét's mouth was never found in the Ramsey home, although evidence suggested "it came from a roll of tape that had been used before."

• Nothing in the Ramsey home matched dark animal hairs found on the duct tape and JonBenét's hands.

• Newly made, unidentified shoeprints, including one with a HI-TEC brand mark, were found on the basement floor. None of the Ramseys' shoes matched those prints.

• A palm print on the wine-cellar door where JonBenét's body was found does not match the Ramseys' palm prints and has never been identified.

• A baseball bat found outside the house with fibers consistent with fibers found on the carpet in the basement where JonBenét's body was found did not belong to the Ramseys.

• Brown cotton fibers found on JonBenét's body, the paintbrush used as a garrote, the duct tape and the ligature around her neck did not match anything in the Ramsey home.

• Male DNA found under JonBenét's fingernails and in her underwear does not match that of any Ramsey and has not been identified yet.

• A pubic hair found on the blanket covering JonBenét's body did not match that of any Ramsey.

• Injuries found on the child's body are consistent with the use of a stun gun, according to a forensic pathologist. The Ramseys swore they had never owned or operated a stun gun and none was found in their home.

And this was before the touch DNA test in 2008.

The Ramseys are eliminated as suspects by the physical evidence.

ps Jonathan our posts crossed. Yes I agree with you.

Roy

[Tom_Wescott]

LOL. You guys are funny.

Yours truly,

Tom Wescott

[ChainzCooper]

Hey Tom,
I would love to hear your thoughts on the case as you seem to be knowledgeable about it and I don't know a great deal about it.
Thanks,
Jordan

[j.r-ahde]

Hello Roy!

Sorry, but I can't help acting as a kind of devil's advocate here.

So; I'd like the see the pro-Ramsey-people's list of evidence too, only for a comparison!

All the best
Jukka

[Jonathan H]

To Roy

It's up to you, but my advice is don't waste your time trying to convince those here who are Buffs, because it is never about facts, or multiple interpretations of ambiguous data, let alone common sense.

It's pointless, mate. The Buff mentality is a bastard, psychological hybrid: free-wheeling fantasy fused with the most rigid dogmatism.

[j.r-ahde]

Hello Johathan!

Using common sense is not a Buff mentality!

Besides; we only know, what we read about this case. Thus we have no right to make any definite conclusions, only ifs and maybes. Whether we think, if the Ramseys did it or not!

All the best
Jukka

[tji]

Hi all

I think it will be a long time before we get the answers we need - if ever.

For me I seem to come to a conclusion that there was an intruder,:-

Who would use a stun gun on their own daughter/sister, they wouldn't need to.

The unknown DNA found in JonBenets underwear

A little girl from JonBenets dance class was sexually abused in her home in similar circumstances, her mother woke up and scared off the intruder.

Burke was interviewed for 6 hours after the killing - they were happy he told the truth

However you then have to weigh in what her parents said:-

The note was known to be from a notepad in the Ramsey household

While John was eliminated from having write the note Patsy could not be.

Burke was heard in the background of the Police 911 call yet Patsy said she did not wake him till the Police arrived

The mystery of the pineapple - why say she hadn't eaten any when there was proof that she did. You don't lie unless you are guilty of something, especially under them circumsatances.

[Irelandsown37]

I agree with Judge Carnes because she looked at the evidence.

Carnes' order also lists a series of largely uncontested facts that suggest an intruder entered the Ramsey home and murdered JonBenét. Among them:

• At least seven windows and a door in the Ramsey home were found open or unlocked after JonBenét disappeared. The alarm was off and windows were accessible from the ground level, including three that opened into the basement.

• Evidence suggested that an intruder climbed through a basement window and walked through the room where JonBenét was found.

• JonBenét's body was bound with complicated rope slipknots and a garrote that the order described as "sophisticated bondage devices" by someone "with an expertise in bondage." No evidence suggests the Ramseys knew how to tie such knots.

• Black duct tape found on JonBenét's mouth was never found in the Ramsey home, although evidence suggested "it came from a roll of tape that had been used before."

• Nothing in the Ramsey home matched dark animal hairs found on the duct tape and JonBenét's hands.

• Newly made, unidentified shoeprints, including one with a HI-TEC brand mark, were found on the basement floor. None of the Ramseys' shoes matched those prints.

• A palm print on the wine-cellar door where JonBenét's body was found does not match the Ramseys' palm prints and has never been identified.

• A baseball bat found outside the house with fibers consistent with fibers found on the carpet in the basement where JonBenét's body was found did not belong to the Ramseys.

• Brown cotton fibers found on JonBenét's body, the paintbrush used as a garrote, the duct tape and the ligature around her neck did not match anything in the Ramsey home.

• Male DNA found under JonBenét's fingernails and in her underwear does not match that of any Ramsey and has not been identified yet.

• A pubic hair found on the blanket covering JonBenét's body did not match that of any Ramsey.

• Injuries found on the child's body are consistent with the use of a stun gun, according to a forensic pathologist. The Ramseys swore they had never owned or operated a stun gun and none was found in their home.

And this was before the touch DNA test in 2008.

The Ramseys are eliminated as suspects by the physical evidence.

ps Jonathan our posts crossed. Yes I agree with you.

Roy

Interesting that Detective Trujillo's book provides a rebuttal for every point you listed here, except for the baseball bat which wasn't mentioned.

The police found a hardware store receipt dated shortly before the murder. While it wasn't itemized it did show two items bought - their investigation showed the store carried the exact same rope and duct tape, and when bought together, came to the exact amount of the receipt in Patsy's purse.

Everyone says John couldn't have made those knots, but didn't he serve in the military/air force?

The mystery DNA in JonBenet's underpants could have gotten there at any time, not just on the night of the murder.

There is a website who's mebers are all female lawyers/judges... womeninlaw.com or something like it. I remember reading a particular blog where they were all applauding Mary Lacy resigning as the DA - apparently she wasn't too bright.