JFK Assassination Documents to be released this year

[Fiver]

The two Secret Servicemen in the car, one of them the driver, had to make vital decisions. Both, however, did have interesting comments on the shots. Agent Kellerman said later that the last sound he recalled was "like a double bang — bang! bang! ... like a plane going through the sound barrier." Agent Greer, the driver, also said the last shot cracked out "just right behind" its predecessor. This could conceivably mean the two agents heard a single bullet breaking the sound barrier, but It also suggests they heard two shots very close together indeed — far closer together than one man could achieve with a bolt-operated rifle. Agent Kellerman later expressed the opinion, based on what he heard and the wounds he saw later at the autopsy, that "there have got to be more than three shots."

Greer is more vauge than your source implies.

Mr. SPECTER. How much time elapsed, to the best of your ability to estimate and recollect, between the time of the second noise and the time of the third noise?
Mr. GREER. The last two seemed to be just simultaneously, one behind the other, but I don't recollect just how much, how many seconds were between the two. I couldn't really say.

But it is clear that Greer and Kellerman thought the last two of the three shots came very close together. There are other witnesses that support that, but there are also witnesses that disagree.

[Herlock Sholmes]

Your position requires that the over a dozen witnesses who saw Oswald shoot Tippit or flee the scene are liars. Your position requires everyone who saw Oswald attempt to use his gun are liars. Your position requires that the Dallas police fake the evidence. Your position requires that all forensics experts brought in as well as most of every committee that examined the Tippit killing are liars.

So you're calling at least 60 people liars.

Against that we have the Clemmons, Wright, and Holan stories which contradict each other on every point yet you believe all three of them to be true.

And yet he goes up in arms when it’s simply suggested that less than a quarter of that number at Parkland were simply mistaken. There’s no sense of balance Fiver. It appears that one side has a stringent set of qualifying rules applied to it whilst the other side can simply say anything and they believe that it should simply be accepted.

[Fiver]

I'm sure that was considered, as was an attempt at the Trade Mart itself where the bulk of the security detail had been allocated. The TSBD had the advantage of surprise, concealment and offered a better chance of escape, as events proved. There was no return fire from the security detail and the gunman/gunmen were able to escape the building.

Any location offered surprise. Both Ft Worth and the TSBD offered better concealment and chance of escape than the Grassy Knoll. Ft Worth offered a more exposed, unmoving target with clearer fields of fire and a much longer time to aim a first shot.

So why would a competent Conspiracy choose Dealey Plaza over Ft Worth?

[Fiver]

They didn't. The shooting of JD Tippit was not even disguised as a felon fleeing justice: it was a cold-blooded execution intending to silence a man for good. Whether Tippit was up so something at the time- his actions suggest he was- or whether his experienced eye just spotted someone he didn't think looked right I am not sure. But I cannot see his murder was planned beforehand.

If Tippit was executed for knowing too much, then the Dallas police must have falsified the forensics evidence to pin the blame on Oswald.

Why would the Dallas Police agree to a plan that involved the unnecessary murder of one of their own men?

[Fiver]

So all the witnesses who saw the person that wasn't Oswald shoot tippet, they lied , were mistaken , were idiots , didn't exist?

Maybe we should put your dozen in that category .?

Your position requires that the over a dozen witnesses who saw Oswald shoot Tippit or flee the scene are liars. Your position requires everyone who saw Oswald attempt to use his gun are liars. Your position requires that the Dallas police fake the evidence. Your position requires that all forensics experts brought in as well as most of every committee that examined the Tippit killing are liars.

So you're calling at least 60 people liars.

Against that we have the Clemmons, Wright, and Holan stories which contradict each other on every point yet you believe all three of them to be true.