JFK Assassination Documents to be released this year

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  • FISHY1118
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    Thanks Mrs Connally for exposing the warren commission lie.

    A separate bullet hit John Connally.

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  • Fiver
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    Originally posted by GBinOz View Post
    Nell Connally said that when her husband was hit he reared up like a horse.
    That is not an accurate description of what Mrs Connally said.

    Mrs. CONNALLY. Then very soon there was the second shot that hit John. As the first shot was hit, and I turned to look at the same time, I recall John saying, "Oh, no, no, no." Then there was a second shot, and it hit John, and as he recoiled to the right, just crumpled like a wounded animal to the right, he said, "My God, they are going to kill us all."

    "crumpled" seems the exact opposite of "reared up".

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  • Fiver
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    Originally posted by Patrick Differ View Post
    Anyway moving on I am surprised that the witness who was closest to Kennedy other than the Connallys and the Motorcycle Cop , Mrs Moorman, who took the Polaroid shots of Kennedy right after the head shot and is captured in the Zapruder film, is not mentioned or maybe I missed it. It wasn't the Badge Man controversy ( a candidate for A.I.) but rather the shots she heard and what she said.
    Moorman's first statement is problematic.

    "As President Kennedy was opposite me I took a picture of him. As I snapped the picture of President Kennedy, I heard a shot ring out. President Kennedy kind of slumped over. Then I heard another shot ring out and Mrs. Kennedy jumped up in the car and said, "My God he had been shot." When I heard these shots ring out, I fell to the ground to keep from being hit myself. I heard three or four shots in all."

    The Zapruder and Nix films show that Jackie Kennedy did not jump up and no other witness agrees that she said this. Memory is fallible.

    Originally posted by Patrick Differ View Post
    Moorman said she heard one shot followed by a pause. Then she heard pow pow in succession.
    That's not an accurate summary of what Moorman said to the Dallas police, which I have already quoted. It doesn't match what Moorman said to the FBI, either.

    "She took a second photograph of the President as his automobile passed her, and just as she snapped the the picture, she heard what she at first thought was a firecracker and very shortly thereafter heard another similar sound which she later determined to have been gunfire. She knows that she heard two shots and possibly a third shot. She recalls seeing the president "sort of jump" and start to slump sideways in the seat, and seems to recall President KENNEDY's wife scream, "My God, he's been shot"

    ​As to the "Badge Man", it was a pop bottle sitting on the corner of the stone wall.

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  • Fiver
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    Originally posted by Patrick Differ View Post
    Humes did in fact consider that the heart massage at Parkland may have dislodged this bullet.
    Hume considered and rejected the idea that the heart massage at Parkland may have dislodged this bulle

    Mr. SPECTER - And what theory did you think possible, at that juncture, to explain the passing of the bullet back out the point of entry; or had you been provided with the fact that external heart massage had been performed on the President?
    Commander HUMES - Yes, sir; we had, and we considered the possibility that some of the physical maneuvering performed by the doctors might have in some way caused this event to take place.
    Mr. SPECTER - Now, have you since discounted that possibility, Doctor Humes?
    Commander HUMES - Yes; in essence we have.


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  • Fiver
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    Originally posted by Patrick Differ View Post
    Humes was described by the House Committee after citing the Bethesda Autopsys many failures, as like sending a 7 year old violin student to try out for the New York Symphony. And they were not talking child prodigy.

    That is a harsh rebuke. No doubt the Autopsy caused as many problems as it may have solved.
    It would be a harsh rebuke, but I can find no evidence that the HSCA ever said that about the autopsy. Not that they didn't provide plenty of criticism.

    "The two major issues connected with the autopsy are its scope--full versus partial--and the competency with which the prosectors performed it. Despite allegations that the Kennedy family or other authorities ordered a partial or limited autopsy, evidence shows that the pathologists were given authority to perform a complete autopsy. The autopsy was not complete, however, according to established medicolegal standards. A combination of strong Kennedy family desires to finish the autopsy quickly, a military environment that hindered independent action, a lack of experience in forensic pathology among the prosectors, and a lack of established jurisdictional and procedural guidelines all contributed to the pathologists' failure to take certain measures essential to the completion of a thorough medicolegal autopsy and to competently perform the autopsy.

    The measures essential to a thorough medicolegal autopsy that the pathologists failed to take are

    1) Conducting the autopsy in an atmosphere free from the presence of individuals not necessary to any medical or investigative aspects of the autopsy. Aside from the Secret Service and FBI agents, it was not necessary for other military personnel to be in the autopsy room who were not performing a medical function.
    2) Consulting the Parkland Hospital doctors who administered emergency treatment to the President before initiating the autopsy. According to the medical panel of the committee, such consultation is normal procedure.
    3) Acquiring the assistance of an experienced pathologist engaged in the full-time practice of forensic pathology, as opposed to the consulting capacity Dr. Finck possessed. Such experienced assistance might have prevented several errors.
    4) Recording precisely the locations of the wounds according to anatomical landmarks routinely used in forensic pathology. The medical panel of the committee stated that the reference points used to document the location of the wound in the upper back--the mastoid process and the acromion--are movable points and should not have been used.
    5) Dissecting the wound that traversed the upper back of the President. The medical panel stated that probing a wound with a finger is hardly sufficient; to ascertain the actual track, the wound must be dissected.
    6) Examining all organs and documenting the results of such examinations. Although the pathologists did examine most organs, they made no reference to the adrenal glands, part of the anatomy routinely examined during the autopsy.
    7) Sectioning the brain coronally. Such documentation could have provided additional insight into the destructive impact of the missile in the brain.

    The committee recognizes that the inadequacies of the autopsy originated in part from the unique and hectic circumstances surrounding the death of the President, and not with any one source. Whatever the cause, however, these inadequacies have continued to feed the confusion and mistrust so long associated with the autopsy of President Kennedy and have reduced the effectiveness of the committee's review of the medical evidence. These problems reinforce the necessity for establishing substantive and procedural guidelines to be followed in the performance of any autopsy stemming from the assassination of a national political official.​
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