JFK Assassination Documents to be released this year

[GBinOz]

What is to be seen in the Zapruder film is this:
Between frames 225 and 230 Connally turns from a position where he’s looking to his right to a position where he looks straight ahead, while lowering his right shoulder & flipping his hat up and down; that’s 0.27 seconds. Going from frame 223 to 224 it's to be seen that not only the right lapel of his jacket flips or bulges, but also that his right shoulder moves slightly forward.

Between 230 and 235 he keeps looking straight ahead, before beginning to turn to his right again; that’s another 0.27 seconds.

This turning to his utmost right lasts until about frame 265, all the while holding his hat with his right hand until it disappears from view in frame 280.

Then, at frame 288 or 289, Connally starts to turn back to his left while leaning back onto his wife’s lap. He stays that way until frame 307, when he slightly turns his head to his left, away from the president.

Then, between frames 315 and 330 Nellie Connally pulls her husband’s head on her lap while she turns forward and ducks. On especially frame 321 it to be seen that governor Connally still holds his hat in his right hand.

Then, frames 225 to 231 show the president raising his elbows & hands. Between frames 232 and 251 he stays in that position and between frames 252 and 260 he relaxes his arms and slumps towards his wife. After that, he probably continues to slump somewhat, but, if so, it's hardly visible.

That’s what is to be seen in the Zapruder film, regardless of how many shooters there actually were and from where they may or may not have shot.

If Mrs. Connally’s memory was correct, then her husband was hit between frames 230 and 235 or after 289. After frame 289 seems impossible, as Connally had his back towards his wife and was leaning back onto her lap. And between frames 230 and 234, his right hand is to be seen at the level of his right shoulder. By frame 235 he lowers his hand slightly, but he keeps it at shoulder level and it stays there until it disappears from view in frame 280.

It seems very unlikely to me that one bullet could have entered in his back close to the armpit, traverse downward & slightly obliquely through his body hitting the fifth rib, exit below the right nipple and go through the wrist he was holding at or just below his right shoulder. For that to happen, he had to have held his hand in front of him, below the exit wound.

All the best,
Frank

Hi Frank,

The right lapel movement is often quoted, although I have yet to see a copy of the film that is clear enough to show it. Looking at the footage of the presidential limo as it turned into Houston St from Main St, it can be seen that the flags on the car indicate a strong wind from the NNW. I think it would have been the wind lifting the lapel rather than a bullet as indicated by this photo of Connally's coat.



I see the shoulder movements as part of the turning process. Nell Connally said that when her husband was hit he reared up like a horse. There is certainly no indication of this in the frames around the 230s. I would estimate that he was hit around frame 295 as he is turning back to the left, but it is difficult to see as the film is showing only the neck and head. I agree that one shot through the abdomen would be unlikely to also hit the back of the wrist, but I see a violent movement around frame 326 that could account for a second shot/wound.

The whole single bullet theory falls at the first hurdle. Hume said the back wound did not transit the body. Boswell sketched the back wound at 5 1/2 inches below the shoulder line and Burkley signed off on this location. SS agents Bennett and Hill observed the wound 4" and 6" respectively below the shoulder line. Sibert and O'Neill said the back wound was shallow and considerably below the throat wound. Sibert was quoted as saying about the single-bullet theory and Arlen Specter, "What a liar. I feel he got his orders from above - how far above I don't know." The holes in the coat and shirt indicate about 5 1/2" below the shoulder line. At the Clay Shaw trial in 1969, Pierre Finck said, "The back wound's depth was the first fraction of an inch." Gerald Ford moved the wound from the back to the neck as a "clarification" of the SBT.

Regrettably, we are still at odds with our observations and opinions, but there it is.

Best regards, George

[FrankO]

In addition, the Zapruder frames show that when Kennedy is hit ( around frame 225) , Connally does not react. In fact at 18.3 frames per second he does not react until almost 1 second later.

The governor was certain he was not hit before Z234, and the Zapruder film confirms this.

What is to be seen in the Zapruder film is this:
Between frames 225 and 230 Connally turns from a position where he’s looking to his right to a position where he looks straight ahead, while lowering his right shoulder & flipping his hat up and down; that’s 0.27 seconds. Going from frame 223 to 224 it's to be seen that not only the right lapel of his jacket flips or bulges, but also that his right shoulder moves slightly forward.

Between 230 and 235 he keeps looking straight ahead, before beginning to turn to his right again; that’s another 0.27 seconds.

This turning to his utmost right lasts until about frame 265, all the while holding his hat with his right hand until it disappears from view in frame 280.

Then, at frame 288 or 289, Connally starts to turn back to his left while leaning back onto his wife’s lap. He stays that way until frame 307, when he slightly turns his head to his left, away from the president.

Then, between frames 315 and 330 Nellie Connally pulls her husband’s head on her lap while she turns forward and ducks. On especially frame 321 it to be seen that governor Connally still holds his hat in his right hand.

Then, frames 225 to 231 show the president raising his elbows & hands. Between frames 232 and 251 he stays in that position and between frames 252 and 260 he relaxes his arms and slumps towards his wife. After that, he probably continues to slump somewhat, but, if so, it's hardly visible.

That’s what is to be seen in the Zapruder film, regardless of how many shooters there actually were and from where they may or may not have shot.

If Mrs. Connally’s memory was correct, then her husband was hit between frames 230 and 235 or after 289. After frame 289 seems impossible, as Connally had his back towards his wife and was leaning back onto her lap. And between frames 230 and 234, his right hand is to be seen at the level of his right shoulder. By frame 235 he lowers his hand slightly, but he keeps it at shoulder level and it stays there until it disappears from view in frame 280.

It seems very unlikely to me that one bullet could have entered in his back close to the armpit, traverse downward & slightly obliquely through his body hitting the fifth rib, exit below the right nipple and go through the wrist he was holding at or just below his right shoulder. For that to happen, he had to have held his hand in front of him, below the exit wound.

All the best,
Frank

[Fiver]

According to Horne, “After Best Evidence was published, a Michigan newspaper and a Canadian news team located and interviewed Donald Rebentisch, one of the sailors in Dennis David’s working party, who had been telling the same story independently for years.” (Horne, volume 3, page 675.)

Rebentisch did tell a two casket story, but his story does not match Dennis David's story.

* Rebentisch does not state what the casket looked like.
* Rebentisch does not state an arrival time.
* Rebentisch said the casket was wheeled in, while David said it was carried.
* Rebentisch said he doubted most of Lifton's claims.

Rebentisch's account is supported by Robert Munma. Munma was also dismissive of Lifton - "Evidently the guy wrote the book to make some money."

So, you have a Marine sergeant and two sailors, whose statements unequivocally confirm that Kennedy’s body was carried into the Bethesda morgue in a plain shipping casket at 6:35 p.m.

Only David's account mentions a shipping casket. All three accounts appear to differ on the time. Sgt. Boyajian said there was only one casket.

[FISHY1118]

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The David Lifton theory is that all bullets that hit JFK were fired from the front.

Previously you endorsed.

Someone else firing from the TSBD (with Oswald not firing at all) and a Grassy Knoll gunman.

Oswald and two other men firing from the TSBD. (The Mac Wallace version)

Shooters in the TSBD, Daltex Building, and the Grassy Knoll, none of them Oswald. (The Oliver Stone version.)

All four of these theories contradict each other, yet you have endorsed them

Your mixing up "contradiction" with possible outcomes . The 3 you mentioned could all have happened just as the evidence provided suggest .

I'll leave to contradictions to you and the false warren commission. .

[FISHY1118]

I chose the "you cannot change the laws of physics approach.

Switching caskets would require actual magic. Either the body has to be transferred between airplanes in mid-flight without anyone noticing or you need a second body close enough to JFK's body that it will fool x-rays and dental records.

And yet you were showed how it was done , and couldn't disprove it . Just your running commentary reply which means nothing .