JFK Assassination Documents to be released this year

[Fiver]

Here's another try at what the Parkland Doctors said. about JFK’s head wound.

Specified a location, but not whether it was an entrance or exit wound.

Mr. Specter - Now, will you describe in as much particularity as you can the nature of the head wound
Dr. Baxter - The only wound that I actually saw--Dr. Clark examined this above the manubrium of the sternum, the sternal notch. This wound was in temporal parietal plate of bone laid outward to the side and there was a large area, oh, I would say 6 by 8 or 10 cm. of lacerated brain oozing from this wound, part of which was on the table and made a rather massive blood. loss mixed with it and around it.

Mr. SPECTER - Will you describe as specifically as you can the head wound which you have already mentioned briefly?
Dr. CARRICO - Sure. This was a 5- by 71-cm defect in the posterior skull, the occipital region. There was an absence of the calvarium or skull in this area, with shredded tissue, brain tissue present and initially considerable slow oozing. Then after we established some circulation there was more profuse bleeding from this wound.

Mr. SPECTER - What did you observe the President's condition to be on your arrival there?
Dr. CLARK - I then examined the wound in the back of the President's head. This was a large, gaping wound in the right posterior part, with cerebral and cerebellar tissue being damaged and exposed. There was considerable blood loss evident on the carriage, the floor, and the clothing of some of the people present. I would estimate 1,500 cc. of blood being present.

Mr. SPECTER - What was the condition of the President when you arrived?
Dr. GIESECKE - There was a great deal of blood loss which was apparent when he came in the room--the cart was covered with blood and there was a great deal of blood on the floor. There was--I could see no spontaneous motion on the part of the President. In other words, he made no movement during the time that I was in the room. As I moved around towards the head of the emergency cart with the anesthesia machine and the resuscitative equipment and helped Dr. Jenkins to hook the anesthesia machine up to the President to give him oxygen, I noticed that he had a very large cranial wound, with loss of brain substance, and it seemed that most of the bleeding was coming from the cranial wound.
Mr. SPECTER - What did you observe specifically as to the nature of the cranial wound ?
Dr. GIESECKE - It seemed that from the vertex to the left ear, andfrom the browline to the occiput on the left-hand side of the head the cranium was entirely missing.

Mr. SPECTER - Will you describe as precisely as you can the nature of the head wound?
Dr. JONES - There was large defect in the back side of the head as the President lay on the cart with what appeared to be some brain hanging out of this wound with multiple pieces of skull noted next with the brain and with a tremendous amount of clot and blood.

Dr. McCLELLAND - As I took the position at the head of the table that I have already described, to help out with the tracheotomy, I was in such a position that I could very closely examine the head wound, and I noted that the right posterior portion of the skull had been extremely blasted. It had been shattered, apparently, by the force of the shot so that the parietal bone was protruded up through the scalp and seemed to be fractured almost along its right posterior half, as well as some of the occipital bone being fractured in its lateral haft, and this sprung open the bones that I mentioned in such a way that you could actually look down into the skull cavity itself and see that probably a third or so, at least, of the brain tissue, posterior cerebral tissue and some of the cerebellar tissue had been blasted out. There was a large amount of bleeding which was occurring mainly from the large venous channels in the skull which had been blasted open.

Mr. SPECTER - Will you now describe as specifically as you can, the injury which you noted in the President's head?
Dr. PERRY - As I mentioned previously in the record, I made only a cursory examination of the President's head. I noted a large avulsive wound of the right parietal occipital area, in which both scalp and portions of skull were absent, and there was severe laceration of underlying brain tissue. My examination did not go any further than that.

Mr. SPECTER - What did you observe as to the nature of the President's wound?
Dr. PETERS - Well, as I mentioned, the neck wound had already been interfered with by the tracheotomy at the time I got there, but I noticed the head wound, and as I remember--I noticed that there was a large defect in the occiput.
Mr. SPECTER - What did you notice in the occiput?
Dr. PETERS - It seemed to me that in the right occipitalparietal area that there was a large defect. There appeared to be bone loss and brain loss in the area.

Mr. SPECTER - What did you observe with respect to the head wound?
Dr. SALYER - I came in on the left side of him and noticed that his major wound seemed to be in his right temporal area, at least from the point of view that I could see him, and other than that--nothing other than he did have a gaping scalp wound-- cranial wound.

Said that the bullet entered the side of JFK’s skull and exited the rear.
Mr. SPECTER - Did you have any opinion as to the direction-that the bullet hit his head?
Dr. AKIN - I assume that the right occipitalparietal region was the exit, so to speak, that he had probably been hit on the other side of the head, or at least tangentially in the back of the head, but I didn't have any hard and fast opinions about that either.

Did not specify a location.
Mr. SPECTER - And what did you observe the President's condition to be at the time you arrived?
Dr. BASHOUR - The President was lying on the stretcher, the head wound was massive, the blood was dripping from the head, and at that time the President had an endotracheal tube, and his pupils were dilated, his eyes were staring, and they were not reactive, there was no pulsations, his heart sounds were not present, and his extremities were cold.

Mr. SPECTER - During the course of your presence near President Kennedy, did you have any opportunity to observe any wounds on his body?
Dr. CURTIS - After I had completed the cutdown, I went around to the right side of the patient and saw the head wound.
Mr. SPECTER - And what did you observe there?
Dr. CURTIS - Oh--fragments of bone and a gross injury to the cranial contents, with copious amounts of hemorrhage.

Mr. SPECTER - What did you observe as to the condition of the President when you entered?
DR. DULANY - Well, at this time his pupils were fixed and dilated and he had a large head wound---that was the first thing I noticed.

Mr. SPECTER - Now, will you now describe the wound which you observed in the head?
Dr. JENKINS - Almost by the time I was--had the time to pay more attention to the wound in the head, all of these other activities were under way. I was busy connecting up an apparatus to respire for the patient, exerting manual pressure on the breathing bag or anesthesia apparatus, trying to feel for a pulse in the neck, and then reaching up and feeling for one in the temporal area, seeing about connecting the cardioscope or directing its being connected, and then turned attention to the wound in the head.
Now, Dr. Clark had begun closed chest cardiac massage at this time and I was aware of the magnitude of the wound, because with each compression of the chest, there was a great rush of blood from the skull wound. Part of the brain was herniated; I really think part of the cerebellum, as I recognized it, was herniated from the wound; there was part of the brain tissue, broken fragments of the brain tissue on the drapes of the cart on which the President lay.

Mr. SPECTER - Did you have an opportunity to observe any of his wounds?
Dr. WHITE - I saw the wound in his head as he was brought into the trauma room where he was treated.

Did not see the wound.
Mr. SPECTER - Did you observe any wounds on the President?
Dr. HUNT - I actually did not see the wounds.
Mr. SPECTER - Did you at any time see a wound to the head?
Dr. HUNT - No; I didn't see it.
Mr. SPECTER - And was there something obscuring your view from seeing the head wound?
Dr. HUNT - Yes; I could see his face and I could also see that a great deal of blood was running off of the table from his right side and I was on his left side.

[Lewis C]

Those of you who think that the package that Oswald carried into the TSBD wasn't a rifle, do you think then that he was telling the truth that it contained curtain rods?

[Lewis C]

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[Lewis C]

I’d like to assess a part of the case and it will be the result of my own thinking and not just an exercise in cutting and pasting someone else’s work.

The area I want to talk about is The Sniper’s Nest and the location of the rifle and the cartridges and i’m not talking about a discussion on technical issues concerning the rifle and ammunition but just the fact of them being where they were, and I want to do it in relation to three suggestions as to what happened at the time of the assassination. The three are:


a - That some unknown person created the Sniper’s Nest and planted the rifle and cartridges to incriminate LHO.

b - That some unknown person created the Sniper’s Nest in order to fire at Kennedy without LHO being aware of it.

c - That LHO created the Sniper’s Nest and fired at Kennedy from that location.


So let’s begin with option a.


So when did our mystery man create the Sniper’s Nest and plant the rifle and cartridges? Aside from all debate on where Oswald was at what time we can reasonably assume that he wasn’t there when someone was setting him up as the Presidents assassin. So where did our mystery man come from? He is to be congratulated for gaining access to a very busy working building, with staff on all floors, without a single person seeing and noting the presence of a complete stranger (especially as he was carrying a large package containing a rifle) While we are at it we have to add more praise for him exiting the building without being seen.

Then we have to ask ourselves how this man could have known or predicted Oswald’s actions? (as Oswald was naturally totally oblivious to the fact that he was been set up as an assassin) Was he just waiting in the shadows for the off chance that the 6th floor would become empty? What if it hadn’t? What if a couple of workers had stayed on the 6th floor? How could he have got from his hiding place to the Nest unseen? How could he have created the Nest in the first place. What if someone had left, bought a drink at one of the machines and returned to the 6th floor two minutes later?

Another question is for those that take the Roger Craig seriously. Can we really believe that our conspirator decided to plant cartridges lined up and within an inch or less of each other? How could that convince any investigator? The answer of course is that it wouldn’t. But this isn’t something that we have to consider because we know from the evidence that Craig just can’t be taken seriously.

Another very obvious question to ask is what if there had been someone on the 6th floor at the time of the shots and they, quite naturally, would have known that no shots could have been fired from that floor because they guy had just set up the Sniper’s Nest and left. Where would that have left our conspirators?

It’s obvious that the suggestion that some stranger arranged the Sniper’s Nest and planted the rifle of cartridges simply doesn’t hold water.

All true Herlock, and there's another problem with option A: witness testimony. There were people who saw a man in the window at the time of the assassination, and also at least one man eating lunch on the 5th floor right under that window who looked out and up and saw a gun sticking out the widow at that time. So option A can be safely rejected. One could make an option D: there was a man with a rifle at that window at the time, but he didn't fire the rifle. That's pretty far-fetched too, but no worse than option A.

[c.d.]

You're right, Herlock. No one is going to change their mind at this point and the thread has simply deteriorated into a giant pissing match.

c.d.