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  • FISHY1118
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    A large skull fragment can be seen exploding downward in the Z-film, and, sure enough, a large skull fragment was found on the floor of the limo. As it exploded forward, while still attached to the scalp, it could very well have torn the scalp in the direction it traveled. Unfortunately, they failed to take photos of this fragment.

    But a number of witnesses viewing a large fragment claimed it had hair on it.



    On 11-30-63, Secret Service Agent Clint Hill, who'd climbed onto the back of Kennedy's limo just after the fatal shot was fired, wrote a report that included an often-overlooked detail. He wrote: "As I lay over the top of the back seat I noticed a portion of the President's head on the right rear side was missing and he was bleeding profusely. Part of his brain was gone. I saw a part of his skull with hair on it lieing in the seat."

    And Hill wasn't the only one to see this hairy fragment. Motorcycle Officer Bobby Joe Dale arrived upon the scene just as the President's body was rushed into the emergency room. He failed to get a look at the President. He did, however, get a look at the back seat of the limo. Here's what he told Larry Sneed, as published in No More Silence (1998): "Blood and matter was everywhere inside the car including a bone fragment which was oblong shaped, probably an inch to an inch and a half long by three-quarters of an inch wide. As I turned it over and looked at it, I determined that it came from some part of the forehead because there was hair on it which appeared to be near the hairline."

    And Dale wasn't the only motorcycle officer to make such a statement. When interviewed for the 2008 Discovery Channel program Inside the Target Car, H.B. McClain related: "When I raised her up (he means Mrs. Kennedy)...I could see it on the floor. That's pieces of skull with the hair on it."


    Thanks Clint Hill , Bobby Joe Dale H.B. McClain. for proving the Autopsy photo id a fake .



    MORE ''Actual Evidence ''.

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  • FISHY1118
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    More ' ''ACTUAL EVIDENCE''




    Mr. BALL. Didn't he ( Oswald ) say that he had seen a rifle at the building ?
    Mr. FRITZ. Yes sir; he told me that he had seen a rifle at the building 2 or 3 days before that Mr. Truly and some men were looking at. ( 4 H 214 )

    The Warren Commission concluded that two Dallas Sheriff's Deputies and a Deputy Constable who identified the rifle found on the sixth floor were mistaken in their identification of it as a 7.65 Mauser.


    The "misidentifcation" was blamed on Deputy Constable Seymour Weitzman who was first to identify it. The Commission said:

    "Weitzman did not handle the rifle and did not examine it at close range... thought it was a Mauser ... [and eventually] police laboratory technicians subsequently arrived and correctly identified the weapon as a 6.5 Italian rifle." ( Report 645-646 )

    The Commission never considered that more than one rifle had been found in the building. They, as well as researchers over the decades, have considered the identification of the rifle found on the sixth floor as a Mauser just a simple error.
    But other evidence indicates that might not be the case.

    Wednesday, November 20, 1963 : a Mauser in the building
    But the evidence may say otherwise because two days before the assassination an employee in the building, Warren Caster, brought two rifles into the building, one a single shot .22 ( a Christmas gift for his son ) and the other, a 30.06 Mauser that had been sporterized.

    Mr. BALL. Did you ever bring any guns into the School Book Depository Building?
    Mr. CASTER. Yes; I did.
    Mr. BALL. When?
    Mr. CASTER. I believe it was on Wednesday, November 20, during the noon hour.
    Mr. BALL. Whose guns were they?
    Mr. CASTER. They were my guns.
    Mr. BALL. And what kind of guns were they?
    Mr. CASTER. One gun was a Remington, single-shot, .22 rifle, and the other was a .30-06 sporterized Mauser. ( 7 H 387 )


    William Shelley handled the .22 rifle Caster brought into the building that Wednesday and described the 30.06 in testimony:

    Mr. BALL. And was there another make of gun too---there was, wasn't there?
    Mr. SHELLEY. Yes; I believe there was a .30-06 Mauser that had been converted. It was a foreign make converted to a .30-06. ( 7 H 390 )


    November 22, 1963: An imported 30.06 in the window
    Assassination witness Arnold Rowland was standing across the street from the TSBD and saw a man in the sixth floor window. He described the rifle he saw in the hands of the man:

    Mr. SPECTER - Can you describe the rifle with any more particularity than you already have?
    Mr. ROWLAND - No. In proportion to the scope it appeared to me to be a .30-odd size 6, a deer rifle with a fairly large or powerful scope.
    Mr. SPECTER - When you say, .30-odd-6, exactly what did you mean by that?
    Mr. ROWLAND - That is a rifle that is used quite frequently for deer hunting. It is an import. ( 2 H 170 )


    An Argentine rifle
    In a June 1964 interview with KSFO in San Francisco, Sgt. Gerald Hill said that he was told by another officer that the rifle found on the sixth floor of the TSBD "was made in Argentina".





    So this evidence indicates that Caster's deer rifle was a sporterized version of an foreign-made rifle converted to a 30.06 and the rifle found on the sixth floor was made in Argentina. A witness who saw the rifle in the hands of the man in the window described it as an imported 30.06 deer rifle.

    The Argentine 7.65 Mauser
    In those days, one of the most sought after rifles to convert to a 30.06 was the model 91 7.65 Argentine Mauser. The Model 91 was an exceptionally accurate weapon and in its sporterized version, it left 10 or 12 inches of barrel beyond the end of the wooden stock.






    A sporterized rifle firing at the President is what witness James Worrell described. He was standing in front of the TSBD when the shooting started and at the sound of the first shot he said he looked up and saw "12 inches of a gun barrel sticking out of a window of the building".




    The 12" barrel he described could not have been belonged to the Mannlicher-Carcano ( CE 139 ), whose barrel only extended a few inches beyond the stock.






    Of course, this account of Worrell's never made it to the 26 volumes. By his March, 1964 testimony, the 12 inches of barrel had changed to 4 inches of barrel and 2 inches of wooden stock for a total of only 6 inches. ( 2 H 193 )


    In light of all this evidence, we must reconsider the descriptions given by the Deputy Constable Seymour Weitzman and Sheriff's Deputies Eugene Boone and Roger Craig of the rifle found on the sixth floor.
    Warren Commission supporters have always relied on two things: 1.) that Seymour Weitzman was mistaken and 2.) that Roger Craig was a xxxx.

    But there is no documentation by any of the deputies who were present when the rifle on the sixth floor was discovered that listed it as a Mannlicher-Carcano or being "6.5 cal." or "Made in Italy".

    Deputy Boone is credited with finding the rifle, but his report submitted to the sheriff's department indicates that he found the rifle at 1:22 pm and it "appeared to be a 7.65 Mauser with a telescopic sight".



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    Police officers are trained to be precise when describing evidence in their reports. How Boone could be so precise with the time he found the rifle and be so wrong as to the type of rifle is puzzling.
    Boone also testified that Capt. Will Fritz identified the rifle as a 7.65 Mauser, a fact that Fritz, in his testimony denied.





    Then there is the question if the deputies didn't inspect the rifle, why did they choose the caliber of 7.65 ? Did they pick it out of thin air and if so, why ? Why not 7.63 ? Or 7.92 ? Or even the 6.5 that was supposedly on the rifle ? If they were describing the rifle by its action only, why didn't they just describe it as a Mauser ? Where did the 7.65 come from ?

    Did Fritz lie about calling it a Mauser ? Was Boone just repeating what he heard Fritz say ?
    The Commission never asked. They accepted Fritz's denial and concluded the deputies were mistaken.

    Deputy Constable Seymour Weitzman arrived at the time Fritz was examining the rifle. In his sworn affidavit, Weitzman described the rifle found on the sixth floor as a "7.65 Mauser bolt action."




    But this is not a case of mistaken indentity. Deputy Roger Craig told Lincoln Carle in 1976 that not only did Weitzman identify the rifle as a 7.65 Mauser, he walked over to it and POINTED to the Mauser label on the rifle.



    Weitzman suffered over the years for his honesty. He was hounded by the press and even researchers about his "mistake" until he finally gave in and "admitted" he was wrong about the rifle.

    But one Deputy did not waver and maintained to his dying day that the rifle found on the sixth floor was a 7.65 Mauser.


    That Deputy was Roger Craig.

    In this 1976 documentary, Two Men in Dallas, Craig describes to Lincoln Carle the circumstances surrounding the discovery of the rifle.




    The news outlets took the deputies' description of the rifle as being a Mauser and ran with it.




    In fact, the "corrected" identifcation of the murder weapon as being a Mannlicher-Carcano didn't hit the airwaves until Saturday afternoon, after documents had been "found" connecting the Depository rifle to "A.Hidell."



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  • GBinOz
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    Originally posted by Fiver View Post

    Let's look at actual testimony.

    Mr. FRAZIER - Let's see, when I got in the car I have a kind of habit of glancing over my shoulder and so at that time I noticed there was a package laying on the back seat, I didn't pay too much attention and I said, "What's the package, Lee?"
    And he said, "Curtain rods," and I said, "Oh, yes, you told me you was going to bring some today."
    That is the reason, the main reason he was going over there that Thursday afternoon when he was to bring back some curtain rods, so I didn't think any more about it when he told me that.
    Mr. BALL - What did the package look like?
    Mr. FRAZIER - Well, I will be frank with you, I would just, it is right as you get out of the grocery store, just more or less out of a package, you have seen some of these brown paper sacks you can obtain from any, most of the stores, some varieties, but it was a package just roughly about two feet long.
    Mr. BALL - It was, what part of the back seat was it in?
    Mr. FRAZIER - It was in his side over on his side in the far back.
    Mr. BALL - How much of that back seat, how much space did it take up?
    Mr. FRAZIER - I would say roughly around 2 feet of the seat.
    Mr. BALL - From the side of the seat over to the center, is that the way you would measure it?
    Mr. FRAZIER - If, if you were going to measure it that way from the end of the seat over toward the center, right. But I say like I said I just roughly estimate and that would be around two feet, give and take a few inches.
    Mr. BALL - How wide was the package?
    Mr. FRAZIER - Well, I would say the package was about that wide.
    Mr. BALL - How wide would you say that would be?
    Mr. FRAZIER - Oh, say, around 5 inches, something like that. 5, 6 inches or there. I don't--​


    RANDLE stated that about 7:15 a.m., November 22, 1963, she looked out of a window of her residence and observed LEE HARVEY OSWALD walking up her driveway and saw him put a long brown package, approximately 3 feet by 6 inches, in the back seat area of WESLEY FRAZIER's 1954 black Chevrolet four door automobile.

    And Randle and Frazier are not the only ones who saw Oswald with a large package.

    Mr. BALL - Did you ever see Lee Oswald carry any sort of large package?
    Mr. DOUGHERTY - Well, I didn't, but some of the fellows said they did.
    Mr. BALL - Who said that?
    Mr. DOUGHERTY - Well, Bill Shelley, he told me that he thought he saw him carrying a fairly good-sized package.
    Mr. BALL - When did Shelley tell you that?
    Mr. DOUGHERTY - Well, it was--the day after it happened.​​
    WC Report Chapter 4 Page 133:
    Frazier and Mrs. Randle testified that the bag which Oswald was carrying was approximately 27 or 28 inches long, whereas the wooden stock of the rifle, which is its largest component, measured 34.8 inches.

    Frazier stated that Oswald held the package by cupping it in his hand and that it fitted comfortably under his armpit. I previously asked that this be tested by posters and a report made, but so far no answer is the stern reply.

    Hasn't Mr Dougherty been regularly included on Herlock's "idiot" list? What is the definition of the hearsay of "a fairly good-sized package" that Dougherty himself completely failed to notice?

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  • GBinOz
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    Originally posted by Fiver View Post

    There is no discrepancy.

    Mr. BELIN. When you went back, what did you do? First of all, was there anything up to that time that you saw there or that you did that you haven't related here that you can think of right now?
    Mr. BENAVIDES. Well, I started--I seen him throw the shells and I started to stop and pick them up, and I thought I'd better not so when I came back, after I had gotten back, I picked up the shells.
    Mr. BELIN. All right. Now, you said you saw the man with the gun throw the shells?
    Mr. BENAVIDES. Yes, sir.
    Mr. BELIN. Well, did you see the man empty his gun?
    Mr. BENAVIDES. That is what he was doing. He took one out and threw it.​


    Mrs. DAVIS. Well, first off she went to screaming before I had paid too much attention to him, and pointing at him, and he was, what I thought, was emptying the gun.
    Mr. BALL. He had a gun in his hand?
    Mrs. DAVIS. Yes.
    Mr. BALL. And he was emptying it?
    Mrs. DAVIS. It was open and he had his hands cocked like he was emptying it.​


    Mrs. DAVIS. Well, we saw Oswald. We didn't know it was Oswald at the time. We saw that boy cut across the lawn emptying the shells out of the gun.
    So the proposal is that the perpetrator deliberately emptied the shells from a revolver and threw them on the ground for the police to use as evidence. But the first report was that the handgun involved was a 38 Auto, as were the shell casings, which would have been ejected and would have had to be picked up to avoid them being used as evidence. A 38ACP (auto) cannot be chambered in a 38 special revolver, and vice-versa.

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  • Fiver
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    Originally posted by GBinOz View Post
    Warren Commission Report Chapter 3 Page 81:
    The minimum length broken down is 34.8 inches, the length of the wooden stock.

    The only two people who saw the package testified that it was too short to contain a rifle.​
    Let's look at actual testimony.

    Mr. FRAZIER - Let's see, when I got in the car I have a kind of habit of glancing over my shoulder and so at that time I noticed there was a package laying on the back seat, I didn't pay too much attention and I said, "What's the package, Lee?"
    And he said, "Curtain rods," and I said, "Oh, yes, you told me you was going to bring some today."
    That is the reason, the main reason he was going over there that Thursday afternoon when he was to bring back some curtain rods, so I didn't think any more about it when he told me that.
    Mr. BALL - What did the package look like?
    Mr. FRAZIER - Well, I will be frank with you, I would just, it is right as you get out of the grocery store, just more or less out of a package, you have seen some of these brown paper sacks you can obtain from any, most of the stores, some varieties, but it was a package just roughly about two feet long.
    Mr. BALL - It was, what part of the back seat was it in?
    Mr. FRAZIER - It was in his side over on his side in the far back.
    Mr. BALL - How much of that back seat, how much space did it take up?
    Mr. FRAZIER - I would say roughly around 2 feet of the seat.
    Mr. BALL - From the side of the seat over to the center, is that the way you would measure it?
    Mr. FRAZIER - If, if you were going to measure it that way from the end of the seat over toward the center, right. But I say like I said I just roughly estimate and that would be around two feet, give and take a few inches.
    Mr. BALL - How wide was the package?
    Mr. FRAZIER - Well, I would say the package was about that wide.
    Mr. BALL - How wide would you say that would be?
    Mr. FRAZIER - Oh, say, around 5 inches, something like that. 5, 6 inches or there. I don't--​


    RANDLE stated that about 7:15 a.m., November 22, 1963, she looked out of a window of her residence and observed LEE HARVEY OSWALD walking up her driveway and saw him put a long brown package, approximately 3 feet by 6 inches, in the back seat area of WESLEY FRAZIER's 1954 black Chevrolet four door automobile.

    And Randle and Frazier are not the only ones who saw Oswald with a large package.

    Mr. BALL - Did you ever see Lee Oswald carry any sort of large package?
    Mr. DOUGHERTY - Well, I didn't, but some of the fellows said they did.
    Mr. BALL - Who said that?
    Mr. DOUGHERTY - Well, Bill Shelley, he told me that he thought he saw him carrying a fairly good-sized package.
    Mr. BALL - When did Shelley tell you that?
    Mr. DOUGHERTY - Well, it was--the day after it happened.​​

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