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  • Originally posted by caz View Post

    Bollocks.
    Philip Larkin couldn’t have put it better Caz.
    Regards

    Sir Herlock Sholmes.

    “A house of delusions is cheap to build but draughty to live in.”

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    • Originally posted by cobalt View Post
      'So maybe the best ear witness would have been a blind person close to the gunman, and the best eye witness would have been a deaf person close to the motorcade.'

      Oops, I think that's what is called an own goal.
      There was a deaf witness close to the motorcade. HS has referred to him on a number of occasions.
      Yes, Ed Hofmann. A proven fantasist and liar that George used as one of his witnesses.

      Regards

      Sir Herlock Sholmes.

      “A house of delusions is cheap to build but draughty to live in.”

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      • Please see my replies below.



        Originally posted by Herlock Sholmes View Post




        So, the reasons why it was the real Oswald……


        …… Duran spent much more time with Oswald than Azcue and never wavered in her belief that the man really was Lee Harvey Oswald.


        That is not true.

        She told author Anthony Summers he was not Oswald.

        Regardless of whether she believed he was Oswald, she described someone who obviously was not Oswald:

        'When [Lopez and Duran] were asked to describe Oswald, both gave similar descriptions of him that are not even remotely close to Oswald's physical appearance.'

        (HSCA interview of Duran, 6 June 1978)


        Duran described the man as being 5 ft 6 ins tall, with blond hair.

        Oswald was 5 ft 9 ins tall and did not have blond hair.





        ……. Alfredo Mirabal Diaz, who was training to replace Azcue and was one of only three people who saw Oswald at the consulate positively identified that the man seeking the visa was definitely Lee Harvey Oswald.



        That is not true.


        Mirabal testified that he saw the man from a distance of four metres and that he 'really did not observe him with any great deal of interest.'


        He was clear that he could not positively identify the man as Oswald.

        As for Azcue, he said:


        'It was not the same person ... my belief is that Oswald is not the person or the individual who went to the consulate. The man who went to the consulate was a man over 30 years of age ... he was blond ...'

        (Eusebio Azcue Lopez in evidence to the Warren Commission)






        …… Oswald’s visa application bears the date stamp September 27th, 1963, the day he arrived in Mexico City. September 27th was also typed on in Spanish.


        Your statement assumes that Oswald was in Mexico City at that time.




        …… Duran told Oswald that he needed a photograph for his application and recommended a few places nearby. He returned on the afternoon of the same day with the photos which Duran checked to ensure they matched the man in front of her. They did. The photo is definitely Oswald.


        Intensive research after the shooting revealed that the photographs on the application were not made at any of the local photo shops in Mexico City.





        …..CIA handwriting experts confirmed that the writing on the application. The HSCA also had their experts check the handwriting. They confirmed that it was Oswald’s.


        Neither the CIA nor the HSCA was convinced that the man was Oswald.

        According to Edwin Lopez, a lawyer for the HSCA who interviewed Duran on the HSCA's behalf:

        '[Duran] could never tell us that [Oswald] had signed [his visa application] in her presence.'

        (Interview, 1986)




        …..Duran said that Oswald became angry and red and was almost in tears. Oswald was known to get like this when he didn’t get his own way. (This was a man who beat his wife remember)


        I have never seen any report of the real Oswald ever being on the verge of crying.

        On the other hand, there is plenty of evidence of Oswald impersonators deliberately drawing attention to themselves.



        ….. Would a man trying to pass himself off as Oswald and con himself a visa really have wanted to behave like this and draw attention to himself, possibly causing them to look even closer or more unfavourably at his application?


        Yes, because in every case in which Oswald is alleged to have been impersonated, the impersonator acted in such a way as to draw attention to himself.

        Both Dr Homer Wood and Malcolm Price, on different dates, saw an Oswald consistently hit bull's-eyes at different shooting ranges.

        Albert Bogard allowed an Oswald to test drive a car, which he did at 70 mph.

        That Oswald told him he would be coming into money on or shortly after 23 November.


        We know that the Oswalds seen by Homer, Price and Bogard were not the real Oswald because all three Oswalds drove a car, two actually driving away in a car.

        The real Oswald could not drive and was never seen driving a car.

        The same goes for the man who shot at General Walker and who was alleged by the Warren Commission to have been Oswald.





        …..The WC and the HSCA confirmed that the handwriting on the hotel register was Oswald’s


        Every name in the September 27 register of the hotel where Oswald allegedly stayed is in the same handwriting except Oswald's.

        '...eight other guests checked in on September 27, and, on the register for September 28, Oswald's name is again in a unique handwriting. To make it more curious, the handwriting is not the same as that of the signature [from] the previous day.'

        (James DiEugenio)



        After the assassination, researchers found a photocopy of Oswald's Social Security card on which someone appeared to have been practicing how to forge Oswald's signature.



        …..The owner/manager of the hotel and the maid identified the man that stayed there as Lee Harvey Oswald.


        ….The desk clerk and the watchman who got the guest a taxi both identified him as Lee Harvey Oswald.


        …..The woman that owned the place near the hotel where the guest ate several times identified him as Lee Harvey Oswald,


        Did they - as did Oscar Contreras, Sylvia Duran, and Eusebio Azcue Lopez - describe him as being blond and in his 30s?



        …… All of the witnesses who saw him said that he was always alone.


        It seems that all of the witnesses who described his hair said it was blond and all the witnesses who described his age said he was in his 30s.



        …..In a letter to the Russian Embassy Oswald recounted the trouble that he’d had at the Cuban consulate.


        The letter to which you refer is, I believe, the letter which, as reported in the Los Angeles Times on August 6, 1999, was believed by the Soviet Ambassador, Anatoly Dobrynin, to be a forgery.

        Dobrynin recorded his opinion, which was based partly on comparison of the letter with letters known to have been received from the real Oswald, in an internal memo.

        The letter was also reported to have been typed.




        …..On the 27th and the 28th Oswald also went to the Russian Embassy. The three staff that he spoke too all identified him as the man that they saw on TV being killed by Jack Ruby.


        I have not seen any such report, but there are two details which prove that the man was not Oswald.

        First, he spoke broken Russian on the telephone.

        Secondly, he spoke English at the Soviet Embassy.

        The real Oswald, as recounted by a number of his acquaintances, spoke fluent Russian.


        'The Committee also feels that the man Sylvia put on the phone with the Soviet official was not Oswald [because] he spoke broken Russian. George de Mohrenschildt, Marina Oswald and George Bouke all stated that Oswald spoke a very refined Russian and that he preferred speaking Russian to English.'

        (HSCA interview of Duran, 6 June 1978)



        As noted by the CIA, in a classified document:

        'The problem with assuming that the caller was Oswald is that Oswald spoke fluent Russian.'


        "The CIA advised that on October 1, 1963, an extremely sensitive source had reported that an individual identified himself as Lee Oswald, who contacted the Soviet Embassy in Mexico City inquiring as to any messages. Special Agents of this Bureau, who have conversed with Oswald in Dallas, Texas, have observed photographs of the individual referred to above, and have listened to a recording of his voice. These special agents are of the opinion that the above-referred-to individual was not Lee Harvey Oswald."​

        (FBI memo)






        …… Oswald told his wife about his plan to go to Cuba and his trip to Mexico and the red tape problems that he had there.



        'The Warren Commission lied about the conclusion....They sifted (the evidence) to get the things to prove (a theory it was told to prove). Anything different they discarded and put away... I want people to know for sure that Lee Harvey Osward didn't kill the president.'

        (Marina Oswald to Oprah Winfrey, 1996)

        In an interview in 1993, Marina Oswald called on President Clinton to issue 'a pardon to Lee Harvey Oswald for the crime that he did not commit, and that can be proven in a court of law very easily.'

        (NBC interview by Tom Brokaw, 1993)


        It is obvious that Marina Oswald was pressured by the authorities, who kept her incommunicado, to make statements that incriminated Oswald.





        … After his arrest Oswald told Postal Inspector Harry Holmes during his interrogation that he’d gone to Mexico to try to get to Cuba.


        I haven't seen a record of that, but Holmes recorded this:

        'it was unusual as to how he got back and even brought his wife with him'

        which suggests that Oswald was an intelligence agent.





        ……..Duran wanted to help him even though she couldn’t at the time so she gave him her name and the consulates number on a piece of paper which was found in Oswald’s possession.



        That does not prove that the blond man in his 30s seen by Duran in Mexico was the real Oswald.




        So we know that it was the real Oswald and we know why he was there and what happened.​


        We know that he was impersonated.


        Last edited by PRIVATE INVESTIGATOR 1; 03-09-2023, 07:28 PM.

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        • Originally posted by caz View Post

          No cobalt, they didn't know. At best they would have been taking a punt and hoping for the best. Oswald could have been genuinely taken ill, or may have booked a week's leave, or a long weekend, for all the conspirators could have known. Or did they have spies at the TSBD, monitoring his attendance throughout that week, and checking for his arrival on the Friday?

          It's not just a case of having two or three men on standby in the event that Oswald did not show up on the day for any reason. He not only showed up, but played his part perfectly throughout, with the conspirators in no position to know if he would even be alone when the shots were fired, and not surrounded by workmates. They wouldn't know how well or badly things had played out until after the event, and until they learned that Oswald had been sufficiently freaked out to behave suspiciously like the guilty man, despite being no more aware than anyone else around him of who might actually have been involved in what had just happened. Didn't JFK have many enemies in many camps? Why did Oswald react as if he knew there was a plan in motion to stitch him up for it? Nobody could have made him stick out like a sore thumb from everyone else in the vicinity. He did that all by himself. Heaven knows why, if he'd only taken his lunch into work, as any other worker might have done. He couldn't have predicted that a rifle would be planted for the sole purpose of incriminating him. So what was he so worried about?

          Love,

          Caz
          X
          And what if someone saw our Mr X? Someone that they had never seen before in the TSBD. What if someone assigned to work on the 6th floor had seen him? Would he have assumed that Roy Truly was renting out the floor to watch the parade?

          Its just an absolutely rubbish, amateurish plan whichever way you look at it Caz. If this plot had been uncovered the first thing that the President should have done was sack them for being useless……damn, I forgot, Johnson was ‘in on it too,’ clever thinking by the plotters to ensure that their incompetence went unpunished.
          Regards

          Sir Herlock Sholmes.

          “A house of delusions is cheap to build but draughty to live in.”

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          • Virtually every male occupant of Dallas would have made a better ‘patsy’ than Oswald.
            Regards

            Sir Herlock Sholmes.

            “A house of delusions is cheap to build but draughty to live in.”

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            • Originally posted by caz View Post

              Once again, they could not have chosen Oswald as a likely patsy before 16th October, and not at all if he had not applied for that job at the TSBD of his own volition and been taken on. You can't line up a patsy who could be anywhere on the planet by the time JFK arrives in Dallas, and have any realistic expectation that the two paths might actually cross. The fact that they did cross was in the stars, and not in any conspirator's control.

              Love,

              Caz
              X


              Assuming Oswald was the lone assassin, he could not have known the motorcade route until three days before the assassination.

              That means he would have had three days in which to plan the assassination of the President of the United States.

              The assumption that weeks before the assassination, Oswald luckily applied for a job on what would become the motorcade route, planned the assassination at three days' notice, was able to enter the TSBD with a rifle without anyone noticing, carry it up to the sixth floor without anyone noticing, fire the shots from the sixth floor in the confident expectation that no-one else would be there, leave the rifle at the top of the stairs, knowing no-one would see him do so, descend the stairs without anyone seeing or hearing him, and be four floors below within 90 seconds of the assassination without showing any signs of recent physical activity, is a good deal more farfetched than the hypothesis that the conspirators had an expectation that the motorcade route would be adjusted to make sure that it did pass the TSBD.

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              • Originally posted by PRIVATE INVESTIGATOR 1 View Post



                Assuming Oswald was the lone assassin, he could not have known the motorcade route until three days before the assassination.

                That means he would have had three days in which to plan the assassination of the President of the United States.

                The assumption that weeks before the assassination, Oswald luckily applied for a job on what would become the motorcade route, planned the assassination at three days' notice, was able to enter the TSBD with a rifle without anyone noticing, carry it up to the sixth floor without anyone noticing, fire the shots from the sixth floor in the confident expectation that no-one else would be there, leave the rifle at the top of the stairs, knowing no-one would see him do so, descend the stairs without anyone seeing or hearing him, and be four floors below within 90 seconds of the assassination without showing any signs of recent physical activity, is a good deal more farfetched than the hypothesis that the conspirators had an expectation that the motorcade route would be adjusted to make sure that it did pass the TSBD.
                Firstly, they recreated the so-called dash from the sniper’s nest down to the second floor and the officer that did it (twice) wasn’t in the least bit out of breath.

                Secondly, the two women on the stairs who didn’t see Oswald, didn’t see any Mr X either. And there would only have had to have been a very few seconds either way and Oswald was down the stairs before them. They have absolutely no way of giving an exact time that they left the office and even if they went by a clock we would have to ask - did that clock have a seconds hand, if not then it could have been the difference between say 12.30 and 12.30 and 55 seconds (allowing Oswald ample time to descend the stairs unseen) Also, no one checked how accurate the clock was, so the clock that recorded time of the assassination might not have been exactly synchronised with the clock that the two women used. So the two women, Adams and Styles prove absolutely nothing.

                So…..the conspirators, in around 3 days or so, found a man who conveniently got a job at the book depository just a month or so earlier and owned a rifle

                Three questions for you to avoid:

                1. If he was set up by conspirators how could they have ordered the rifle by using a false name and by forging Oswald’s writing and then persuading an unwitting Oswald to carry cards in that false name in his wallet all before it was known that the President’s car would pass the TSBD?

                2. How could they have persuaded him to unwitting take a package to work on the very same day of the assassination that 2 people saw was considerably larger than his usual lunch pack?

                3. How could they have persuaded him to incriminate himself by lying about the curtain rods?

                They didn’t even know that Kennedy would be taken to Bethesda - there was a dispute about this. Major General Clifton told the Surgeon General Heaton that it was going to be done at Walter Reed Hospital. General McHugh even ordered an ambulance to take the President to Walter Reed. Kennedy’s personal physician Burkley spoke to Jackie Kennedy to find out her wishes. She didn’t want an autopsy (naturally she didn’t want her husband dissected) but she said that she preferred Bethesda because her husband had been a Naval officer. In an act of kindness she even asked that Agent Greer to drive the President’s casket because he felt guilty at not being able to save the President. But even though they didn’t know that Kennedy would end up in Bethesda they managed to find corrupt pathologists to do the autopsy and it doesn’t stop there because initially only Humes and Boswell were selected. It was Humes who requested Finck’s presence because of his experience with bullets wounds so weren’t the conspirators lucky? Not only did they find 2 corrupt Pathologists but one of those corrupt pathologists just happened to know another corrupt pathologist. Perhaps there’s an A.S.C.P? (The American Society for Corrupt Pathologists who meet monthly to discuss how to organise fraudulent autopsies? You never know)

                So in 3 days or so they’ve luckily found their corrupt pathologists and corrupt nurses, and corrupt technicians and corrupt radiographers and corrupt photographers. But they forget about including all of those at Parkland of course.

                Then they leave completely to luck that Oswald’s connection to the CIA will never be discovered. And they hope for a bit of good fortune that no one finds out that the FBI have been keeping tabs on him after his return from his shopping trip in Russia.

                Then they leave in the hands of the fate that no employee sees Oswald anywhere but the 6th floor at the time of the assassination.

                And that no one sees a complete stranger on the 6th floor or indeed anywhere in the TSBD.

                And that no one actually sees the Grassy Knoll gunman.

                And that no one captures him in a photograph or on film.

                And that no one notices that 3 shells were found when, according to CT’s the evidence points to 4 shots.

                And that despite there being dozens of cars behind the picket fence no one sees a gunman (apart from the loonie Hofmann of course.

                ​​​​​​……

                And you, and other conspiracists, have the nerve to call non-conspiracy theorists gullible?!
                Regards

                Sir Herlock Sholmes.

                “A house of delusions is cheap to build but draughty to live in.”

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                • Originally posted by caz View Post

                  Bollocks.
                  'It doesn't matter how beautiful your theory is. It doesn't matter how smart you are . If it doesn't agree with experiment, its wrong'' . Richard Feynman

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                  • Please see my replies below.



                    Originally posted by Herlock Sholmes View Post

                    Three questions for you to avoid:

                    1. If he was set up by conspirators how could they have ordered the rifle by using a false name and by forging Oswald’s writing and then persuading an unwitting Oswald to carry cards in that false name in his wallet all before it was known that the President’s car would pass the TSBD?

                    2. How could they have persuaded him to unwitting take a package to work on the very same day of the assassination that 2 people saw was considerably larger than his usual lunch pack?

                    3. How could they have persuaded him to incriminate himself by lying about the curtain rods?



                    The conspirators could easily have set up Oswald as a patsy.

                    Oswald himself said as much.

                    Ruby too stated that there was a conspiracy, both to murder Kennedy and Oswald.

                    There is eyewitness evidence that Oswald was in the movie theater at the time of the Tippit shooting and that he tried to make contact with someone at the theater, repeatedly changing his seat and each time sitting next to a different patron.

                    That evidence suggests both that he was acting on instructions given to him before the assassination and that he was framed for Tippit's murder.

                    Whatever Oswald did has to be understood in the context that he was an intelligence agent, which is why he tried to contact a former US intelligence agent after his arrest.

                    There are plenty of other indications that he was an intelligence agent, as I have already detailed.

                    Intelligence agents can be manipulated and may not know it or what the purpose of the manipulation is.







                    In an act of kindness she even asked that Agent Greer to drive the President’s casket because he felt guilty at not being able to save the President.


                    Agent Greer was a party to the assassination of President Kennedy.

                    He lied to the Warren Commission that he accelerated the car on hearing the shots.

                    Instead, he slowed the car down almost to a halt, to facilitate the assassination, and actually looked back at Kennedy, waiting for his brains to be blown out instead of getting him to safety.






                    But even though they didn’t know that Kennedy would end up in Bethesda they managed to find corrupt pathologists to do the autopsy and it doesn’t stop there because initially only Humes and Boswell were selected.


                    Well, Humes' integrity will always be in doubt because he destroyed the original autopsy report, but he gave us enough information to prove a conspiracy.

                    He calculated the angle of entry of Kennedy's back wound at 45-60 degrees and the point of entry at 15 cm below the neckline.

                    Each of these findings destroys the Single Bullet Theory and the first of them precludes the shot's having come from the TSBD.





                    Then they leave completely to luck that Oswald’s connection to the CIA will never be discovered.

                    On the contrary, they counted on the new President and the authorities suppressing information about Oswald's links to the CIA.



                    Then they leave in the hands of the fate that no employee sees Oswald anywhere but the 6th floor at the time of the assassination.

                    And that no one sees a complete stranger on the 6th floor or indeed anywhere in the TSBD.


                    And why should fate be any kinder to a lone assassin, with three days in which to organise an assassination?




                    And you, and other conspiracists, have the nerve to call non-conspiracy theorists gullible?!


                    When have I accused you of being gullible?

                    Last edited by PRIVATE INVESTIGATOR 1; 03-09-2023, 09:51 PM.

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                    • Originally posted by PRIVATE INVESTIGATOR 1 View Post
                      Please see my replies below.

                      Three questions for you to avoid:

                      1. If he was set up by conspirators how could they have ordered the rifle by using a false name and by forging Oswald’s writing and then persuading an unwitting Oswald to carry cards in that false name in his wallet all before it was known that the President’s car would pass the TSBD?

                      2. How could they have persuaded him to unwitting take a package to work on the very same day of the assassination that 2 people saw was considerably larger than his usual lunch pack?

                      3. How could they have persuaded him to incriminate himself by lying about the curtain rods?

                      The conspirators could easily have set up Oswald as a patsy.

                      Oswald himself said as much.

                      No, Oswald actually said that the police had used him as a patsy for the murder and arrested him simply because he’d been in Russia. He said this himself on the clip but conspiracy theorists always leave out the part about Russia. At no point did Oswald ever mention being set up by conspirators. He was merely claiming to have been wrongly arrested.

                      Ruby too stated that there was a conspiracy, both to murder Kennedy and Oswald.

                      Did he? Can you provide the evidence for this, and please don’t make it what someone alleges to have heard. Jack Ruby said that he wasn’t part of any conspiracy and he specifically requested a lie detector or a truth serum. Does that sound like someone trying to conceal a conspiracy to you? He took a lie detector test and past. The supposedly ‘innocent’ Oswald point blank refused to take one.

                      There is eyewitness evidence that Oswald was in the movie theater at the time of the Tippit shooting and that he tried to make contact with someone at the theater, repeatedly changing his seat and each time sitting next to a different patron.

                      Why did you take in the baseless claims of every single loonie. Johnnie Brewer saw Oswald in the lobby of his store standing with his back to the road as the police cars went past to where Tippit was killed. The news of Tippit’s death had already been on the news at that point. Julia Pistal in the ticket office saw Oswald with her own eyes duck into the theatre. She had also been listening to events on the radio and the murder of Tippit had already been mentioned. She confirmed Brewers story 100% and said that the police cars were still passing with sirens on because her boss went to his car to follow them. Brewer, Postal and Burroughs saw Oswald being arrested and taken out. There can’t be a single doubt about this. These three are the main witnesses on this issue.

                      That evidence suggests both that he was acting on instructions given to him before the assassination and that he was framed for Tippit's murder.

                      Naturally that’s untrue. You claim ‘evidence’ and yet don’t provide it.

                      Whatever Oswald did has to be understood in the context that he was an intelligence agent, which is why he tried to contact a former US intelligence agent after his arrest.

                      No it doesn’t. If he’d been a Dog Trainer would the murder have to be considered in that context? Of course a conspiracy theorist has to try and make 2+2=9,478. No one has to use this context unless you’re a fantasist. Kennedy was killed by a man. Just as Lincoln was killed by a man. And McKinley. And Garfield. And Spencer Percival. And Gandhi. And Martin Luther King. Men kill powerful figures for various reasons. It’s the nature of humanity. Not everything is a grand plan.

                      There are plenty of other indications that he was an intelligence agent, as I have already detailed.

                      It doesn’t matter. It doesn’t mean that the 2 facts have to be connected. Why fixate on this? When every murderer is apprehended do we always seek a link between his work or his past? If a killer used to be in the Air Force should we assume that the murder was connected to the Air Force? Clearly not so why can’t conspiracy theorist accept that it makes no sense to assume a connection or to try and create more and more fanciful ways of bolstering this baseless assumption?

                      Intelligence agents can be manipulated and may not know it or what the purpose of the manipulation is.


                      It would have been impossible, 100% impossible for Oswald to have not known about being set up with a rifle on the very floor that he was working. A rifle that he ‘allegedly’ had forged documents for, and fake cards in his wallet. I’ll stress this because it’s important. 100% impossible for him to have been unaware that there was an assassination planned.


                      In an act of kindness she even asked that Agent Greer to drive the President’s casket because he felt guilty at not being able to save the President.


                      Agent Greer was a party to the assassination of President Kennedy.

                      Jesus Christ…is there anyone who wasn’t involved? Please name someone. Conspiracy theorists are just beyond barking.

                      He lied to the Warren Commission that he accelerated the car on hearing the shots.

                      Instead, he slowed the car down almost to a halt, to facilitate the assassination, and actually looked back at Kennedy, waiting for his brains to be blown out instead of getting him to safety.


                      Another thoroughly despicable, low down conspiracy theorist lie. There’s no depths that you lot aren’t prepared to plumb. I’m only surprised that you haven’t implicated Jackie Kennedy yet. I’ll bet someone already has.

                      But even though they didn’t know that Kennedy would end up in Bethesda they managed to find corrupt pathologists to do the autopsy and it doesn’t stop there because initially only Humes and Boswell were selected.

                      Well, Humes' integrity will always be in doubt because he destroyed the original autopsy report, but he gave us enough information to prove a conspiracy.

                      Drivel. If you write a piece, then make alterations due to error or because you wish to change something you don’t bother keeping every version. Only on conspiracist Fantasy Island can it be the case though.

                      He calculated the angle of entry of Kennedy's back wound at 45-60 degrees and the point of entry at 15 cm below the neckline.

                      By sticking his finger in a couple of inches. He’s being held to that kind of estimation? Absolutely pathetic. He was human. Errors don’t mean that a man without a stain on his character after a distinguished career was suddenly persuaded to become a traitor.

                      Each of these findings destroys the Single Bullet Theory and the first of them precludes the shot's having come from the TSBD.


                      You are a joke but unfortunately the vicious character assassination of numerous people isn’t funny. It’s despicable, ego-driven bilge.

                      Then they leave completely to luck that Oswald’s connection to the CIA will never be discovered.

                      On the contrary, they counted on the new President and the authorities suppressing information about Oswald's links to the CIA.

                      God your gullible. As my grandad used to say: “you’re like a Pawn Shop…..you’ll take anything in.”

                      Then they leave in the hands of the fate that no employee sees Oswald anywhere but the 6th floor at the time of the assassination.

                      And that no one sees a complete stranger on the 6th floor or indeed anywhere in the TSBD.


                      And why should fate be any kinder to a lone assassin, with three days in which to organise an assassination?

                      That just makes no sense, so I can’t respond.


                      And you, and other conspiracists, have the nerve to call non-conspiracy theorists gullible?!

                      When have I accused you of being gullible?

                      By clear inference. The Warren Commission100% wasn’t corrupt. Errors and faults…certainly. Corrupt….physically and categorically impossible. Only the most gullible would consider it for a second. I tired of listening to fools who are simply trying to spin the narrative that the Commission’s ‘corruption’ is proven because it’s not. Only despicable, obsessive, ego-driven conspiracy theorists say so……I doubt if they actually believe it because very few are honest.

                      Well done. You’ve gone through my entire post without specifically or properly answering the questions. You’ve just used the post as a tool to make your own points. Typical CT obfuscation.
                      Regards

                      Sir Herlock Sholmes.

                      “A house of delusions is cheap to build but draughty to live in.”

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                      • Originally posted by caz View Post

                        Bollocks.
                        You’re far too polite Caz.
                        Regards

                        Sir Herlock Sholmes.

                        “A house of delusions is cheap to build but draughty to live in.”

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                        • PI,
                          You put a lot of effort into undermining the case for Oswald ever having been in Mexico City. You might have saved yourself some trouble by asking HS whether he accepts the memo written by J. Edgar Hoover to LBJ on the night of the assassination where he voices the belief that Oswald was being impersonated.

                          That Hoover memo has to be taken largely on trust since no intercepted recordings of an impersonator have ever been made public. A photograph of what was claimed to be a person entering one of the embassies at the time of Oswald is clearly not him and may be an impersonator, but that has not been established. So HS can accept or reject what Hoover claimed.

                          If he accepts Hoover’s memo then he is accepting that some kind of conspiracy was in place in Mexico City. If he rejects Hoover’s memo as being accurate then about 95% of the Warren Commission case goes down the drain, for almost the entire case for the LG theory was investigated and signed off by FBI agents under Hoover’s jurisdiction.

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                          • Most people wouldn’t be able to bring themselves to shoot a dog. I don’t think that I’d have been able to shoot Ted Bundy and there can be few people that I hold in greater contempt. Most people wouldn’t kill anyone in cold blood or be party to such an act because the vast majority of human beings have a respect for human beings. Try going out and finding one person who would help you kill someone and cover it up. You won’t find a queue of volunteers. Except of course, according to some, if you decide to kill the most powerful man on the planet.

                            No one should assume that people in power wouldn’t lie and plot and cover things up. Personally I have little time for those in power, like politicians. I’m not a right wing authority worshipper, blind to any darker side, I’m a life long Labour Party voter….always on the left….a person who loathes the Conservative Party in the UK. But I don’t assume that everyone holds their country in contempt. I certainly don’t. Conspiracy theorists do though. They try and portray themselves as the ‘voices for truth,’ the people who are just cleverer than the rest, more connected to what really goes on but in reality most of them, not all, but most of them are simply driven by ego. By ‘proving’ that “they might be able to pull the wool over your eyes but they can’t do it to me because I’m too smart for them.”

                            They don’t give a seconds thought for the despicable way that they try and assassinate the character of people that they never knew. People who, to them, are just pieces on a board game that they move around discussing trajectories, bullet flights, angles and ballistics (subjects which 99% of them are no more expert in than you’re average man or woman on the street). But it makes them feel powerful; like they themselves have at last found something that they can claim expertise in. Hopelessly lost in a never ending game introducing evermore imaginative and unlikely ideas like some teenager playing Dungeons & Dragons. They don’t care that they didn’t know Earl Warren or any off the commissioners or staff. They don’t care that they never knew Drs Humes, Boswell and Finck or Ruth Paine or William Greer or the hundreds of others that they casually malign. They’re just happy with their own series of assassinations on the characters of these people without a shred of proper evidence. All it takes for them are errors from which they’ll weave their poisonous, selfish webs.

                            Conspiracy theorists judge others by their own low standards. They show contempt for Kennedy, contempt for his family, contempt for the country, contempt for every institution, contempt for the countries history and utter, despicable contempt for people that they know next-to-nothing about. Labelling people traitors and murders comes easy to them. It’s just part of their game and it’s a pretty sick one in my opinion.
                            Regards

                            Sir Herlock Sholmes.

                            “A house of delusions is cheap to build but draughty to live in.”

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                            • Originally posted by Herlock Sholmes View Post

                              You’re far too polite Caz.
                              But alas she was wrong, you left that part out .
                              'It doesn't matter how beautiful your theory is. It doesn't matter how smart you are . If it doesn't agree with experiment, its wrong'' . Richard Feynman

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                              • Originally posted by Herlock Sholmes View Post

                                Well done. You’ve gone through my entire post without specifically or properly answering the questions. You’ve just used the post as a tool to make your own points. Typical CT obfuscation.

                                No, Oswald actually said that the police had used him as a patsy for the murder and arrested him simply because he’d been in Russia. (HS)

                                He did not say that it was simply because he had lived in the Soviet Union that he was being set up as a patsy.

                                He was obviously pointing to his supposed defection as a pretext to set him up as a patsy,



                                Jack Ruby said that he wasn’t part of any conspiracy (HS)


                                I repeat: Ruby too stated that there was a conspiracy, both to murder Kennedy and Oswald.


                                '.. and who else could have timed it so perfectly by seconds?
                                If it were timed that way, then someone in the Police Department is guilty of giving the information as to when Lee Harvey Oswald was coming down.'


                                (Jack Ruby's testimony, Warren Commission Hearings, Volume V, page 206)

                                'Everything pertaining to what's happening has never come to the surface. The world will never know the true facts of what occurred, my motives. The people who had so much to gain, and had such an ulterior motive for putting me in the position I'm in, will never let the true facts come above board to the world.'


                                And then, in answer to a reporter's question, 'Are these people in very high positions, Jack?', he responded, "Yes."

                                (Jack Ruby at Press Conference in March 1965)



                                Why did you take in the baseless claims of every single loonie... Brewer, Postal and Burroughs saw Oswald being arrested and taken out. There can’t be a single doubt about this. These three are the main witnesses on this issue.

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                                You are not contradicting what I wrote!

                                I wrote:

                                'There is eyewitness evidence that Oswald was in the movie theater at the time of the Tippit shooting.'

                                The eyewitness was Burroughs.



                                Naturally that’s untrue. You claim ‘evidence’ and yet don’t provide it.

                                I did.

                                The eyewitness evidence that Oswald repeatedly changed his seat, each time sitting next to another patron of the theater.



                                No one has to use this context [of Oswald's being an intelligence agent] unless you’re a fantasist. Kennedy was killed by a man. Just as Lincoln was killed by a man.


                                Thank you for making my point for me.

                                Lincoln was targeted as part of a series of assassinations planned by conspirators.

                                The assassinations of Kirov, Stalin, Rabin, and King all bear the hallmark of a conspiracy and an inside job - the withdrawal of security at the right moment - just as the assassination of JFK does.


                                It doesn’t matter. It doesn’t mean that the 2 facts [Oswald's intelligence connections and his arrest] have to be connected.

                                It does, because if Oswald was not a genuine defector or genuinely pro-Castro, but playing a part on behalf of a intelligence agency, then he may have been unwittingly setting himself up to be a patsy.



                                It would have been impossible, 100% impossible for Oswald to have not known about being set up with a rifle on the very floor that he was working. A rifle that he ‘allegedly’ had forged documents for, and fake cards in his wallet. I’ll stress this because it’s important. 100% impossible for him to have been unaware that there was an assassination planned.

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                                It's impossible to know how much he knew of the conspiracy or to what extent he was aware that his own complicity would come to light.

                                I have never said that he had no foreknowledge of the assassination, so you are picking the wrong person to have this argument with!

                                What I do know is that he was not told that he would be arrested in Dallas, charged with murdering a policeman and the President, and then shot dead in a police station before he could stand trial.


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                                Instead, [Greer] slowed the car down almost to a halt, to facilitate the assassination, and actually looked back at Kennedy, waiting for his brains to be blown out instead of getting him to safety. (PI 1)


                                Another thoroughly despicable, low down conspiracy theorist lie. There’s no depths that you lot aren’t prepared to plumb. I’m only surprised that you haven’t implicated Jackie Kennedy yet. I’ll bet someone already has.


                                It is not a lie.

                                Eyewitness testimony confirmed that Greer did slow down the limousine almost to a halt.

                                A movie shows the rear lights coming on, which confirms the eyewitness testimony.

                                The Zapruder movie confirms not only that Greer looked back at Kennedy but that Kellerman did at the same time.

                                Kellerman was actually watching Kennedy's brains being blown out at a time when he should have been ensuring that he got him to safety.

                                Anyone can read Greer's testimony and view his and Kellerman's conduct on the Zapruder film and see that what I have written is no lie.

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                                Well, Humes' integrity will always be in doubt because he destroyed the original autopsy report, but he gave us enough information to prove a conspiracy. (PI 1)


                                Drivel.



                                Again, anyone can check the record and see that what I have written is true.


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                                He calculated the angle of entry of Kennedy's back wound at 45-60 degrees and the point of entry at 15 cm below the neckline. (PI 1)

                                By sticking his finger in a couple of inches. He’s being held to that kind of estimation? Absolutely pathetic. He was human. Errors don’t mean that a man without a stain on his character after a distinguished career was suddenly persuaded to become a traitor.


                                I'm sorry, but you are rejecting his findings, as he himself recorded them, and as Sibert and O'Neill reported them to the FBI.

                                Sibert and O'Neill confirmed what he said at the autopsy and what they saw with their own eyes.

                                You are not entitled to say that he was out by up to 42 degrees just because you want to convict someone supposedly firing from a particular location where some empty cartridge cases were conveniently found.



                                You are a joke but unfortunately the vicious character assassination of numerous people isn’t funny. It’s despicable, ego-driven bilge.




                                I stated facts which any reader can check.

                                Greer's conduct has no innocent explanation.

                                Nor has Kellerman's.

                                It's no wonder that Kellerman's family reported that he had indicated to them that the whole truth about the assassination had not been made public.

                                He himself tried to give away the game when he testified that 'a flurry of shots' were fired and that the last two shots were 'instantaneous'.

                                And any reader can check that too.

                                Accusing me of character assassination and despicable ego-driven bilge is, I suggest, your way of avoiding confronting the damning evidence.



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                                On the contrary, they counted on the new President and the authorities suppressing information about Oswald's links to the CIA. (PI 1)


                                God your gullible. As my grandad used to say: “you’re like a Pawn Shop…..you’ll take anything in.”


                                I'm surprised that you deny that there was a cover-up.

                                Oswald was prevented from contacting a former US intelligence agent following the assassination.

                                Do you deny that too?




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                                And why should fate be any kinder to a lone assassin, with three days in which to organise an assassination? (PI 1)



                                That just makes no sense, so I can’t respond.




                                It certainly makes sense.

                                The assassination of JFK took longer than three days to plan.

                                Could Oswald have arranged things so that he got to work in a building on the motorcade route just weeks before the route was published?

                                Could Oswald have arranged it so that no-one in the TSBD would see him carrying a rifle anywhere in the building?

                                Could Oswald have arranged it so that no-one else would be on the sixth floor at the time of the assassination and no-one would see him leaving the rifle at the top of the stairs?

                                Could Oswald have arranged for a Secret Service man to call back two other SS men just as they were about to step onto the platforms at the back of the Presidential limousine only seconds before the assassination - thus allowing the assassination to succeed?

                                Could Oswald have arranged things so that Kellerman would not tell Greer early enough to save Kennedy that he accelerate, or that Greer would slow down the car almost to a halt, thus facilitating the assassination, or that Kellerman would be watching Kennedy's brains being blown out instead of getting h​im to safety, or that both Kellerman and Greer would be watching Kennedy at the same time, instead of getting him to safety?

                                Those circumstances required a conspiracy and everyone reading this knows that to be true.
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