Casebook Examiner No. 2 (June 2010)

[mariab]

“The ultimate“ and monographies

Rob wrote: Well if your new to Ripperology I would recommend Rumbelow and then Sugden. Rumbelow is great for beginners as he covers just about everything.
I'm a newbie, but have been perusing casebook for over a year (mostly when procrastinating from writing a paper on deadline, or when sick in bed, or in other such productive moments), so I don't know if I'm a complete beginner (yeah, doesn't everyone hate that label?!). Rumbelow's book looks a bit basic to me, but I'd definitely take one of his tours, although I've heard that he doesn't do them anymore. Sugden (from what I've perused from his book online) sounds a bit more scholarly, and it has often even been described as “monumental“, which sounds promising, so I think I'll go with that. And despite a certain amount of theorising, argumentation, and speculation, I like the fact that Philip Sudgen doesn't “push“ a suspect on the reader, but lets him come to his own conclusions.
As for Begg's book, I don't really see how one could keep Kosminski as a prime suspect and I don't agree with his quick dismissing of Barnett. When considering the Jewish suspect, I'd definitely prefer the Fido book and his theory of a possible mix-up of names and identities, plus I've heard that his book has the best maps of East End. (But no idea if this is a fact.) ?
By the by I've just ordered “The ultimate“ from a second hand seller in Illinois for $8. It'll take an entire month of shipping, but “the price was right“. As a reference book, i wanted to have something containing transcripts of (some of) the primary sources.
Wow, so Hutts was a proto-animal-activist, kinda? Good for him.
Thank you, and many apologies to all for the silly jokes and for having drifted off-subject (again).
Maria

[Rob Clack]

To Monty and Rob: You two together totally crack me up.
(And I wish I coulda stayed 28 forever, it's a nice age... Older than that , but a lot younger than that .)
Maria

We're the Laurel & Hardy of Ripperolgy. I'm the thin one (just).

Rob

[Rob Clack]

Thanks so much for the info, Rob. (I almost assumed “The ultimate“ would be something along the line of a sourcebook by Evans/Skinner, but I got mixed up due to the additional existence of The Jack The Ripper A-Z by Begg, Fido, and Skinner.)
I shamefully have to admit I've so far only read (and for some parts: just perused!!) these books online on amazon.com . My budget and frequent mobility at the moment only allow me to buy JUST one of the major works in print, and I've been trying to make up my mind between Sugden, Rumbelow, or perhaps even Begg. (But I have a feeling it'll be Sugden.) I've already ordered Paley (I'm interested in Barnett as a suspect) and a couple of Ripper Notes at my German address to find them when I get there, and it's probably unavoidable that it'll start to accumulate from now on, but everything else ripperological I've ever read so far has been online. I know, cheapskate ! (But I'm very mobile right now, so I have to be careful about expenses and additional purchases ...)
Hutt looks kinda like a “good cop“ on picture (despite having indulged in occasional beatings of people on lockup when the mood stroke sometimes, but it's just a perk that comes along with the job. I wish I had that!). I wonder what kind of poetry he wrote, and if it ever got published?
Thank you all so much for your patience with answering so many (dumb) questions,
Maria

Well if your new to Ripperology I would recommend Rumbelow and then Sugden. Rumbelow is great for beginners as he covers just about everything.

One of Hutts published works appeared in Lloyds Weekly News about a dog called 'Sweep' who saved a woman from being assulted. And he published a work (don't know if it was a book or pamphlet) called 'A Horse's Letter to Ex-Police Constable 365, John Pegg, who ... obtained 1300 convictions for cruelty to Horses' which sounds like a great read

Rob

[mariab]

To Monty and Rob: You two together totally crack me up.
(And I wish I coulda stayed 28 forever, it's a nice age... Older than that , but a lot younger than that .)
Maria

[mariab]

Thanks so much for the info, Rob. (I almost assumed “The ultimate“ would be something along the line of a sourcebook by Evans/Skinner, but I got mixed up due to the additional existence of The Jack The Ripper A-Z by Begg, Fido, and Skinner.)
I shamefully have to admit I've so far only read (and for some parts: just perused!!) these books online on amazon.com . My budget and frequent mobility at the moment only allow me to buy JUST one of the major works in print, and I've been trying to make up my mind between Sugden, Rumbelow, or perhaps even Begg. (But I have a feeling it'll be Sugden.) I've already ordered Paley (I'm interested in Barnett as a suspect) and a couple of Ripper Notes at my German address to find them when I get there, and it's probably unavoidable that it'll start to accumulate from now on, but everything else ripperological I've ever read so far has been online. I know, cheapskate ! (But I'm very mobile right now, so I have to be careful about expenses and additional purchases ...)
Hutt looks kinda like a “good cop“ on picture (despite having indulged in occasional beatings of people on lockup when the mood stroke sometimes, but it's just a perk that comes along with the job. I wish I had that!). I wonder what kind of poetry he wrote, and if it ever got published?
Thank you all so much for your patience with answering so many (dumb) questions,
Maria

[Rob Clack]

Makes you feel old Rob?

Well Im not the one who is gonna break the news to you.

Monty

But I'm only 21

Rob

[Monty]

Makes you feel old Rob?

Well Im not the one who is gonna break the news to you.

Monty

[Rob Clack]

Monty, Mr. Clack,
thank you so much for the info. Colour me a completely moronic newbie, I've been through the “Official documents“ but totally missed that press reports are posted on casebook as well. So sorry for wasting your time by asking before looking!
As for P.C Hutt, I've seen his (assumed) photograph on another thread (posted here by Lynn Cates), and I intend to back order a few issues of Ripperologist (esp. issues 113 and 110) to read up on certain things.
Last dumb newbie question, what is “The ultimate“ something discussed here on this thread pertaining to Swanson? A book, an article, a dissertation posted here on casebook? On a quick casebook-search/google-search I couldn't locate any ripperological book/dissertation with this title. It sounds like it contains information on the WVC and on the “double event“...
Thank you so much, and more apologies,
Maria

Hi Maria,

There's no need to apologise. There's so much info on this site it can be a bit daunting to find.
The Hutt photo I posted here:

http://forum.casebook.org/showthread.php?t=3771

We couldn't say 100% that it is Hutt but we are about 99.9% certain it is him.

The Ultimate you refer to would be the book 'The Ultimate Jack the Ripper Sourcebook' by Stewart Evans and Keith Skinner and contains transcripts of the official police files, the home office files, press reports and many photographs and is (in my opinion) one of the best books on Jack the Ripper and should be on everyone's shelf. I think it is call 'The Ultimate Jack the Ripper Companion' in the U.S.

Rob

P.S and please call me Rob. Mr. Clack makes me feel very old

[mariab]

thanks so much for the info re. press reports

Monty, Mr. Clack,
thank you so much for the info. Colour me a completely moronic newbie, I've been through the “Official documents“ but totally missed that press reports are posted on casebook as well. So sorry for wasting your time by asking before looking!
As for P.C Hutt, I've seen his (assumed) photograph on another thread (posted here by Lynn Cates), and I intend to back order a few issues of Ripperologist (esp. issues 113 and 110) to read up on certain things.
Last dumb newbie question, what is “The ultimate“ something discussed here on this thread pertaining to Swanson? A book, an article, a dissertation posted here on casebook? On a quick casebook-search/google-search I couldn't locate any ripperological book/dissertation with this title. It sounds like it contains information on the WVC and on the “double event“...
Thank you so much, and more apologies,
Maria

[Rob Clack]

Rob,

We really gotta start co-ordernating our replies.

Monty

Yeah, people might think we are the same person. Good job we've been seen together in public.

Rob

[Monty]

Rob,

We really gotta start co-ordernating our replies.

Monty

[Monty]

Hi Norma,

Reading your words about Hutt, I suspect you are taking this info from Rob and my article.

It must be stressed that the reason for Hutt using a possible false address is purely logical speculation on our (Rob and I) part.

Hutt was also quite the poet, prolific too. He was also reprimanded for assaulting a prisoner in the dock.

Monty

[Rob Clack]

Maria,

Evening News Sept 11th 1888.

Also Jewish Chronical, 1st October 1888...I think.

Monty

SNAP

[Rob Clack]

[B]
And a last question re. City P.C George Hutt, can anyone name the Evening News issue where he complained about ramping antisemitism in the East End, as Natalie Severn wrote? Is it possible to access London 1889 newspapers somewhere online?

Hi Maria,

It was in the 11 September 1888 edition, available on the 'press reports' section on casebook.
Both me and Neil Bell wrote about P.C Hutt in Ripperologist # 103 and followed that up with some more info and a photograph of the man himself in # 110. He was known as 'The Police Poet'.

Rob

[Monty]

Maria,

Evening News Sept 11th 1888.

Also Jewish Chronical, 1st October 1888...I think.

Monty