Jack and the Thames Torso Murders: A New Ripper?

[John Wheat]

Good thinking! Why wait to see how such a thing is built under? No, just decide that regardless of the evidence, it MUST be wrong if Lechmere is pointed out as the killer.

Itīs always nice to see an application of unbiased and clear thinking.

He was a witness. Nothing you've said changes that. You have no evidence whatsoever.

[Fisherman]

He was a witness. Nothing you've said changes that. You have no evidence whatsoever.

I canīt even remember having tried to claim he was not a witness...? In fact, I have never seen anybody at all claim he was not. You may have gotten that wrong, John.

[John Wheat]

I canīt even remember having tried to claim he was not a witness...? In fact, I have never seen anybody at all claim he was not. You may have gotten that wrong, John.

Yes but you've attempted to turn Lechmere into a suspect.

[Fisherman]

Yes but you've attempted to turn Lechmere into a suspect.

No, John - he did that by himself. And he not only attempted it, he succeeded to do so. Today, he is a very common suspect among students of the case. It seems your misgivings is something he has managed to steer past.

Goodnight.

[John Wheat]

No, John - he did that by himself. And he not only attempted it, he succeeded to do so. Today, he is a very common suspect among students of the case. It seems your misgivings is something he has managed to steer past.

Goodnight.

No you are wrong he's still a witness and a crap suspect by anyone who knows what there talking about.

[MrBarnett]

Thanks El

so I take it Eds book will be that the torso murders and ripper murders were by the same man who is lech?

Abby,

I believe so, and I suspect there may be a few other victims thrown in for good measure.

Gary

[Fisherman]

No you are wrong he's still a witness and a crap suspect by anyone who knows what there talking about.

Well, if we are going to set a standard that requires posters who know what they are talking about, I believe his foremost critic just left the debate. Happy days!

[Abby Normal]

Abby,

I believe so, and I suspect there may be a few other victims thrown in for good measure.

Gary

Thanks gary

[John Wheat]

Well, if we are going to set a standard that requires posters who know what they are talking about, I believe his foremost critic just left the debate. Happy days!

All you have is a crackpot theory.

[Harry D]

Today, he is a very common suspect among students of the case. It seems your misgivings is something he has managed to steer past.

Most of the other suspects have been exhausted to death. Lechmere, on the other hand, is a relatively new name. Lechmere admittedly has more legs than some of the other names put forward down the years, if only by dint of being in Buck's Row that morning. I still think there's a lot more work to be done before anyone could consider him a legitimate suspect. 'Person of interest' maybe. More to the point, one of the marks against Lechmere is the fact that the second murder occurred while the Nichols' inquest was still ongoing. That would point to someone who wasn't on the police radar, and Lechmere wasn't to know that the police weren't keeping tabs on his movements.

[John Wheat]

Most of the other suspects have been exhausted to death. Lechmere, on the other hand, is a relatively new name. Lechmere admittedly has more legs than some of the other names put forward down the years, if only by dint of being in Buck's Row that morning. I still think there's a lot more work to be done before anyone could consider him a legitimate suspect. 'Person of interest' maybe. More to the point, one of the marks against Lechmere is the fact that the second murder occurred while the Nichols' inquest was still ongoing. That would point to someone who wasn't on the police radar, and Lechmere wasn't to know that the police weren't keeping tabs on his movements.

Frankly I think your overestimating Lechmere as a suspect.

[Elamarna]

No, John - he did that by himself. And he not only attempted it, he succeeded to do so. Today, he is a very common suspect among students of the case. It seems your misgivings is something he has managed to steer past.

Goodnight.

Ah, not entirely true on either count.
He did not make himself a suspect at all, all he did was give a name at The inquest, which he was not baptised under, but which he had been officially and legally registered under at least once.
It is modern day researchers whom have promoted him to suspect, that is very simple and very clear. To suggest otherwise is simply to ignore the facts of how the argument for him has developed.

A very common suspect amount students of the case.?
Well yes if we count those who are new to the case or have only watched the misleading, but highly well made documentary.

If we want to say he is commonly spoken about that is true, but the vast majority do not consider him a top suspect at all, indeed many see him purely as a witness.
If we are going to look at those who seriously believe he may be the killer, i wonder if two hands are required to count.

Steve

[Fisherman]

Ah, not entirely true on either count.
He did not make himself a suspect at all, all he did was give a name at The inquest, which he was not baptised under, but which he had been officially and legally registered under at least once.
It is modern day researchers whom have promoted him to suspect, that is very simple and very clear. To suggest otherwise is simply to ignore the facts of how the argument for him has developed.

A very common suspect amount students of the case.?
Well yes if we count those who are new to the case or have only watched the misleading, but highly well made documentary.

If we want to say he is commonly spoken about that is true, but the vast majority do not consider him a top suspect at all, indeed many see him purely as a witness.
If we are going to look at those who seriously believe he may be the killer, i wonder if two hands are required to count.

Steve

You "forgot" that he disagreed with the police. That certainly helped make him a suspect. For starters.

You also "forgot" that many of the ones positive to the idea of him as the killer are people who have studied the case for decades, not only seen the docu. They watched it with a lot of background knowledge, they did not have your bias and they nevertheless fill many a hand.

So you were not only not entirely correct on both counts yourself, you were in fact entirely wrong and misleading. And that is all you will hear from me today, I do not have the inclination to engage in twelve hours of porridge-wading by your side.

[Elamarna]

You "forgot" that he disagreed with the police. That certainly helped make him a suspect. For starters.

Let's be accurate here, he disagreed with one police officer, not the POLICE, it seems that the POLICE on the whole accepted his version of events, supported by the Police reports.

You also "forgot" that many of the ones positive to the idea of him as the killer are people who have studied the case for decades, not only seen the docu. They watched it with a lot of background knowledge, they did not have your bias and they nevertheless fill many a hand.

Really?

Are you really claiming there are many who have studied the subject in depth, who consider Lechmere a particularly strong suspect?
Not just a viable suspect, that is he cannot be ruled out, like many others, but a strong suspect, likely to be in most people's top 2 or 3?

I know very few who would go that far, many sensibly will say he cannot be ruled out, but that is very different.
My bias has you call it, it simply that I do not think he is particularly strong based on the evidence.

So you were not only not entirely correct on both counts yourself, you were in fact entirely wrong and misleading. And that is all you will hear from me today, I do not have the inclination to engage in twelve hours of porridge-wading by your side.

Not at all, totally correct on both points..

Just repeating the mantra, that Lechmere is the strongest suspect, does not make him so.
Just repeating that many believe he is a strong suspect, does not, I am afraid mean that many do believe that.

The response is what I have come to expect.


Steve

[Monty]

This thread is about what now?

Keep to the topic in hand.

Thanks
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