John Richardson

[Herlock Sholmes]

Here is an extract from Dr Biggs input into the murders on the subject of Rigor

"As an aside, if the victim is a malnourished, slight, alcoholic female then rigor mortis may be less pronounced than might be expected, and so detection of rigor mortis in such an individual may indicate a longer time has elapsed since death"

Fits Chapman to a tee!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

www.trevormarriott.co.uk

And as I’ve pointed out before Trevor…..you must have forgotten again.

“…….MAY indicate.”

MAY.

Or…….MAY NOT.

[Herlock Sholmes]

You've been told the same thing about the witnesses and their testimony by modern day expert ,so don't go there .

Your all one side, and not the other.

I missed the part where that expert said that witnesses can’t be right. Perhaps you could point it out to me?

[Herlock Sholmes]

Thanks hair , I just remember reading somewhere once her head was level with the bottom step, not forward of it , ill check tho and get back to you ok?

Look at Nixon’s feet Fishy.

Big question…..how did they arrive in that position without him having gone down those steps?

[Herlock Sholmes]

Early start in the morning so it’s off to bed for me. There’s only so much utter nonsense I can take in one day.

The barrel has well and truly been scraped again tonight.

Shape up chaps. It’s becoming embarrassing.

[FISHY1118]

Dr Sequeira testified to the effect that he estimated Eddowes' time of death to have been somewhere around 1.40 a.m.


Would you state that his estimate is unsafe too?

Baxter and Brown were right on the money with their estimate t.od as well.

No bad for a couple 1888 doctors who's methods can't be relied on .

[Trevor Marriott]

And as I’ve pointed out before Trevor…..you must have forgotten again.

“…….MAY indicate.”

MAY.

Or…….MAY NOT.

No, he doesn't say "may not" Those are your words you are again trying to manipulate the evidence to suit your own theory on the TOD

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[PRIVATE INVESTIGATOR 1]

Phillips arrived at 6.30. When we read his inquest testimony, according to him, the first thing that he did was:

“I searched the yard and found a small piece of coarse muslin, a small-tooth comb, and a pocket-comb, in a paper case, near the railing. They had apparently been arranged there. I also discovered various other articles, which I handed to the police.”

So who is to say that by the time that he made his estimation 10 or 15 minutes hadn’t passed? So two hours previous to 6.45 is 4.45. If Annie actually died at around 5.25/5.30 then we’re only talking about a matter of 40 or 45 minutes.

That is wrong!

According to the record of the inquest as published in the Daily Telegraph, Doctor Phillips indicated that the first thing he did upon arriving at the scene of the murder was to examine the body.

[FISHY1118]

No. The witnesses support this too.

So the witnesses told him her t.o.d and he said ok I don't need to examine her dead body lets go with that

[PRIVATE INVESTIGATOR 1]

And as I’ve pointed out before Trevor…..you must have forgotten again.

“…….MAY indicate.”

MAY.

Or…….MAY NOT.

And would you agree that Doctor Phillips MAY or MAY NOT have been wrong in his estimation of the time of death?

[Herlock Sholmes]

I’ll reply tomorrow. I forgot to post this by the way.

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/914262/211_Guidance_on_ToD_Estimate_v3.pdf

[Herlock Sholmes]

And this….note the phrase ‘fraught with inaccuracies,’

https://coronertalk.com/28

[FISHY1118]

Hello George,

Fair enough. I accept that you weren’t being insulting. My apologies. I was wrongly ‘lumping you in’ with Fishy.

No, you were just wrong, and in the context of how you interpret things and responses ,its a bad habit of your .

[Wickerman]

Three possibilities are that he may have had another way to clean his hands; he may have been able to hide his hands, such as putting them in coat pockets; and something may have happened that told him that he better get out of there immediately.

John Thimbleby, coppersmith in Hanbury's brewery, went to the Commercial-street-station at one o'clock yesterday to say that at six o'clock that morning a man attracted his particular attention before he heard of the murder. He was hurrying from Hanbury-street, below where the murder took place, into Brick-lane. He was walking, almost running, and had a peculiar gait, his knees not bending when he walked. He was dressed in a dark stiff hat and cutaway coat, reaching to his knees. His face was clean shaven, and he seemed about 30 years old. Thimbleby says he can identify him.
Lloyds Weekly News, 9 Sept. 1888.

[PRIVATE INVESTIGATOR 1]

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[FISHY1118]

Did anyone say or imply that the doctors were incompetent? Even the most competent doctor in the world cannot do better than what the methods of the time permit him to do.

Witness testimony made it possible to give accurate estimates of the TOD for Nichols, Stride, and Eddowes. I don't think we know for sure what time Kelly died.

That's wrong ,as there is no evidence that any witnesses told the doctors at the crime scene , there movements or times ,that any doctor used this information to establish a t.od .

I.e , " the witness told me what time the body was there, so I don't need to give my expert opinion on t.od as im standing next to a mutilated corpse , ill just go home."

That basically what your saying.