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Sir Herlock Sholmes.
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Originally posted by PRIVATE INVESTIGATOR 1 View PostWe don't know whether Eddowes had diseases which didn't show up in the autopsy, but we do know that she was thin.
The fact that Chapman had more fat on her than Eddowes had would tend to cancel out the effect of the lung disease on the relative timing of the setting in of rigor mortis.
It seems that the temperatures at the two murder sites were similar.
Why was Eddowes' body still warm?
If the coolness of the morning really did have an effect on Chapman, then it would have slowed down the onset of rigor mortis and not speeded it up.
There is no reason to suppose that Philips' estimate is unsafe.
The REAL experts however tell us that bodies don’t react in the same way.
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Sir Herlock Sholmes.
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Originally posted by Herlock Sholmes View Post
Everything points to a later ToD. It’s not even worthy of a debate. It should simply be accepted. Later ToD by a mile.
It is not true that everything points to a later time of death.
The time of death is worthy of debate.
That is why discussion forums exist.
One point of view does not have to be accepted except in a totalitarian state.
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Originally posted by Herlock Sholmes View Post
It’s pointless discussing this because in you we have yet another armchair ‘Forensic expert.’ You don’t know what you are talking about PI and to be honest I’m sick and tired of talking to people like you who keep claiming to know more than the worlds authorities.
Thank you for acknowledging that I am not alone.
I am left wondering why, in that case, you are such a prolific poster.
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Originally posted by PRIVATE INVESTIGATOR 1 View Post
Thank you for acknowledging that I am not alone.
I am left wondering why, in that case, you are such a prolific poster.
The authorities don’t tell us that ToD estimation by these methods were sometimes unreliable. They were unreliable methods full stop. Even in the modern era we have numerous examples of ToD estimates being proven inaccurate and sometimes massively inaccurate so why would anyone, in the face of what the authorities tell us, assume that Dr. Phillips had a level of estimating skills that he just couldn’t possibly have had. Why? And before you say it, yes of course they sometimes got it right, but 135 years later we can’t get a modern day expert to re-examine her and give his/her opinion.
And of course we can’t just compare two different bodies. The experts tell us this. So I’ll ask again, and I’m tired of asking it, we do you or others feel that you are qualified to say “yes but….” There are no “yes buts.” It should be accepted without question……because the experts tell us without a single exception, that these methods were not reliable.
And as we can’t check Phillips work using modern methods his estimation his estimate doesn’t help us. And he himself admitted that the ToD could have been later when he added his caveat…..which was understood perfectly well by Baxter who said it in black and white.
Later ToD overwhelmingly the most likely. This isn’t my opinion. I’m stating a fact.Regards
Sir Herlock Sholmes.
“A house of delusions is cheap to build but draughty to live in.”
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Originally posted by PRIVATE INVESTIGATOR 1 View Post
It is not true that everything points to a later time of death.
The time of death is worthy of debate.
That is why discussion forums exist.
One point of view does not have to be accepted except in a totalitarian state.
But hey, what do they know, perhaps we should all ignore them and listen to you and Fishy?Regards
Sir Herlock Sholmes.
“A house of delusions is cheap to build but draughty to live in.”
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Originally posted by Herlock Sholmes View Post
It’s not MY point of view PI. It’s the point of view of every single Forensic authority in the world. Without exception.
But hey, what do they know, perhaps we should all ignore them and listen to you and Fishy?
Are you saying that every single forensic authority in the world is of the opinion that Chapman died as late as 5:30 AM?
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Originally posted by PRIVATE INVESTIGATOR 1 View Post
Are you saying that every single forensic authority in the world is of the opinion that Chapman died as late as 5:30 AM?Regards
Sir Herlock Sholmes.
“A house of delusions is cheap to build but draughty to live in.”
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Originally posted by PRIVATE INVESTIGATOR 1 View Post
How is that relevant to the question of why the doctor's findings in the two cases were so different?
"The question I haven't seen answered by those who favour a later time of death is why rigor mortis set in within an hour in this case, and the body was almost completely cold, whereas in Mitre Square, about 42 minutes after death, no rigor mortis was detected and the body was still warm."Regards, Jon S.
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Originally posted by Wickerman View Post
I understood you to have raised this question....
"The question I haven't seen answered by those who favour a later time of death is why rigor mortis set in within an hour in this case, and the body was almost completely cold, whereas in Mitre Square, about 42 minutes after death, no rigor mortis was detected and the body was still warm."
And you replied:
You may find your answer if you look up how intense physical activity can hasten the onset of rigor mortis.
Much boils down to internal body temperature brought on by things like fighting for your life, or having an infection.
What reason is there to suppose that Chapman fought for her life any more than Eddowes?
You did not take into consideration body fat.
Chapman obviously had more fat than Eddowes.
I believe my question remains unanswered.
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Originally posted by Herlock Sholmes View Post
Of course not. They all tell us that the methods used by Phillips were unreliable and fraught with the possibility of error.
What you've done is read somewhere that giving a precise TOD is difficult, even more so in a prior age. From there you use that to state: Dr Phillips didn't know what he was talking about.
Dr Phillips didn't attempt to give a precise time of death.
He simply said that he knew a dead body that had been dead for two hours when he saw one. That's very different to the difficulties in estimating a precise TOD that you repeat ad nauseam.
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