Who Was Anderson’s Witness?

[Abby Normal]

I think it may have been the red neckerchief which gave him the appearance of a sailor [ the man Lawende saw ]
Regards Darryl

yes that too, but mainly the peaked cap.. "like something a sailor would wear"

[Trevor Marriott]

absolutely

Now I wonder which of our suspects was a sailor ?

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[c.d.]

Now I wonder which of our suspects was a sailor ?

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Well I sometimes wear cowboy boots but I ain't no cowboy.

c.d.

[Herlock Sholmes]

Now I wonder which of our suspects was a sailor ?

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Sadler?

[Guest]

Now I wonder which of our suspects was a sailor ?

Im sure we can find one in our extensive portfollio of ripper suspects,

and if not, well you know - im sure one will come along soon

[Mark J D]

Now I wonder which of our suspects was a sailor ?

-- Well, here's the latest computer enhancement of that 1912 photo of Lechmere...



M.

[Guest]

Speaking of sailors it calls to mind the two men who were seen with Rose Mylett shortly before she died.
Incidently the only instance i can find where a witness connected with one of the possible Ripper victims (on this webstite) calls out a name.

[Wickerman]

Speaking of sailors it calls to mind the two men who were seen with Rose Mylett shortly before she died.
Incidently the only instance i can find where a witness connected with one of the possible Ripper victims (on this webstite) calls out a name.....

You're likely talking about these reports.
The two sailors sound similar to Pipeman & BS-man in the Stride case.

A man named Charles Ptolomey, who is a lunatic attendant at the Poplar Union, has come forward and made a statement to the effect that he saw the deceased on the night of her death near Clarke's yard, having an altercation with two men who appeared to be sailors. This bears out the assertion of the woman Alice Graves, who said she saw the woman walking along in a very intoxicated condition arm in arm with two men dressed as seamen. This is practically the only clue, if such it can be called, that the police have.
Daily News, 28 Dec. 1888.


Inspector Swanson, Inspector Wildey, and the Criminal Investigation officers under their guidance are working energetically to elucidate the mystery, and another statement has afforded the detective officers with an additional clue. It appears that Charles Ptomoley, an attendant at the Poplar Union, was proceeding to the workhouse last Wednesday night week when he saw two sailors having an altercation with the deceased woman, who was heard strenuouslv to decline their overtures to accompany them. They were then at the corner of England-row, within sight of Clarke's-yard. Ptomoley has given the police authorities a full description of the men's appearance, and says that, though in other respects they were dressed as seamen, one had a fur cap, drawn partly over his face, while the other wore a round black hat. This statement has been verified, for the two men described by the attendant were seen by others in the district, and it also confirms the assertion of Alice Graves, who knew the deceased well, and who states that she saw the unfortunate woman walking along early on the morning of the tragedy with two men dressed as sailors.
Daily Chronicle, 28 Dec. 1888.


Mr. Charles Ptolomey, whose name was mentioned in our columns yesterday, as having seen two seamen accost the woman near where she was discovered dead, has received a visit from some officers of Scotland yard. Mr. Ptolomey, who is a night attendant at the Poplar Union, made the following statement to a reporter, yesterday:

"last night some detectives from Scotland Yard came to see me about this mysterious affair. They asked me if I could identify the sailors? I told them I could pick the men out of a thousand. How I came to notice them was in this way: It was about five minutes to eight o'clock on Wednesday night, when I was going to my work. Upon going up England row (nearly opposite Clarke's yard) I noticed two sailors. The shorter one was speaking to the deceased, and the tall one was walking up and down. So strange did it seem that I stopped and 'took account' of them. Then I heard the woman say several times "No! no! no!" and the short sailor spoke in a low tone. The tall one was about 5ft 11in. He looked like a Yankee. The shorter one was about 5ft 7in. It struck me that they were there for no purpose, and that was the reason I took so much notice of their movements. I shall always remember their faces, and could, as I say, pick them out of a thousand. I have been to the mortuary, and seen the deceased. She is the same woman, and she was sober when I saw her with the sailors."
Evening News, 29 Dec. 1888.

[Guest]

Thanks Wickerman apprecaited - and Shades of Martha Tabram two boot?
Tinkers, Tailors, Soliders and Sailors.

Maybe the tall one was the Torsol Killer, i already know who the short one is

[jerryd]

Now I wonder which of our suspects was a sailor ?

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At the time of the attack on Alice Graham, William Grant Grainger was stated to be a sailor on a cattle boat. Also, two of the men found sleeping in the arch next to where the Pinchin torso was deposited were sailors.

[GBinOz]

At the time of the attack on Alice Graham, William Grant Grainger was stated to be a sailor on a cattle boat.

A story appeared in the Pall Mall Gazette dated 7 May 1895, which reported that Grainger had been unhesitatingly identified by the one person whom the police believe saw the murderer with a woman a few moments before her mutilated body was found. His own solicitor, Mr Kebbel, let it be known that Grainger had admitted he was Jack the Ripper.

Cheers, George

[jerryd]

A story appeared in the Pall Mall Gazette dated 7 May 1895, which reported that Grainger had been unhesitatingly identified by the one person whom the police believe saw the murderer with a woman a few moments before her mutilated body was found. His own solicitor, Mr Kebbel, let it be known that Grainger had admitted he was Jack the Ripper.

Cheers, George

Thanks George.

I have read that report and found it of interest. Grainger is a very good suspect in my opinion.

[GBinOz]

Thanks George.

I have read that report and found it of interest. Grainger is a very good suspect in my opinion.

Hi Jerry,

You're welcome. I recently read that a photograph of Grainger taken C1910 showed he bore an uncanny resemblance to Druitt. Grainger was 28 in 1888, had dark hair and moustache, was 5'10" and was stoutly built.

Cheers, George

[jerryd]

Hi Jerry,

You're welcome. I recently read that a photograph of Grainger taken C1910 showed he bore an uncanny resemblance to Druitt. Grainger was 28 in 1888, had dark hair and moustache, was 5'10" and was stoutly built.

Cheers, George

Personally, I don't think he looks anything like Druitt.

[GBinOz]

Personally, I don't think he looks anything like Druitt.

Ah, interesting. I haven't actually seen the photo, just a report. Do you have a link to the photo that you could share?

Cheers, George