Who Was Anderson’s Witness?

[Trevor Marriott]

Hi Astatine211,

There is some interesting research by Pat Marshall and Chris Phillips reported in Ripperologist 128 and discussed here: https://forum.casebook.org/forum/rip...perologist-128

It suggests that Providence Street was the likeliest address for Aaron Kozminski at the time of the murders. The comment is:
"walking between Aaron's siblings residences at this time (as Aaron surely would have done), one would obviously traverse either Berner Street or Batty Street, as both streets lie directly between Greenfield Street and Providence Street.".

To me this increases the probabilty that Aaron may have been in Berner St at the time of Stride's murder.

Cheers, George

what puzzles me about the ID parade set out in the marginalia, is why if Lawende was the witness was the ID parade organised by the Met Police when Lawende was a City Police witness for the murder of Eddowes. If the infomation about the suspect was that good for the police to instigate a parade why didnt the city police organise it, and why does Major Smith make no mention of this major development in his memoirs.

I have to say yet again the marginalia is clearly unsafe to rely on.

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[GBinOz]

what puzzles me about the ID parade set out in the marginalia, is why if Lawende was the witness was the ID parade organised by the Met Police when Lawende was a City Police witness for the murder of Eddowes. If the infomation about the suspect was that good for the police to instigate a parade why didnt the city police organise it, and why does Major Smith make no mention of this major development in his memoirs.

I have to say yet again the marginalia is clearly unsafe to rely on.

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Hi Trevor,

I'm not sure about the use of the word "parade" where only one suspect was presented. However, following your logic, the alternative to your unsafe marginalia is that the witness was Schwartz or White.

Cheers, George

[Astatine211]

Hi Astatine211,

There is some interesting research by Pat Marshall and Chris Phillips reported in Ripperologist 128 and discussed here: https://forum.casebook.org/forum/rip...perologist-128

It suggests that Providence Street was the likeliest address for Aaron Kozminski at the time of the murders. The comment is:
"walking between Aaron's siblings residences at this time (as Aaron surely would have done), one would obviously traverse either Berner Street or Batty Street, as both streets lie directly between Greenfield Street and Providence Street.".

To me this increases the probabilty that Aaron may have been in Berner St at the time of Stride's murder.

Cheers, George

Interesting. According to the map this could allow Kosminski to bypass Fanny Mortimer I believe.

[Trevor Marriott]

Hi Trevor,

I'm not sure about the use of the word "parade" where only one suspect was presented. However, following your logic, the alternative to your unsafe marginalia is that the witness was Schwartz or White.

Cheers, George

But no witness ever saw the killer !!!!!!!!

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[Astatine211]

what puzzles me about the ID parade set out in the marginalia, is why if Lawende was the witness was the ID parade organised by the Met Police when Lawende was a City Police witness for the murder of Eddowes. If the infomation about the suspect was that good for the police to instigate a parade why didnt the city police organise it, and why does Major Smith make no mention of this major development in his memoirs.

I have to say yet again the marginalia is clearly unsafe to rely on.

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At least two versions of it had Pizer and Cutbush rather than Kosminski and Ostrog and so it seems like the content of the marginalia was never set in stone. You would think Macnaghten would at least be able to verify and get the correct jobs and ages of the people who were meant to be the main suspects.

[Astatine211]

Also 1. Couldn't have been Julius Lipman because he didn't exist. The closest person to him is Barnett Lipman who was a cigar maker not a cobbler and 2. couldn't have been Colocott because the only weapon he was ever alleged to have used was an awl not nail scissors.

[Trevor Marriott]

Also 1. Couldn't have been Julius Lipman because he didn't exist. The closest person to him is Barnett Lipman who was a cigar maker not a cobbler and 2. couldn't have been Colocott because the only weapon he was ever alleged to have used was an awl not nail scissors.

The only reason Kosmisnki has been coveted as a suspect all of these years is because of what is written in the marginalia, and people have ignored the MM in which it states Kosminkski should be exonerated and in which MM makes no mention of this mythical ID parade described in the marginalia.

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[GBinOz]

But no witness ever saw the killer !!!!!!!!

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Hi Trevor,

The subject of the thread is "Who was Anderson's Witness" which is likely to be entirely independent of "Who saw the Killer".

Cheers, George

[Herlock Sholmes]

But no witness ever saw the killer !!!!!!!!

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Is that a ‘fact’ Trevor? Or an opinion?

[Trevor Marriott]

Is that a ‘fact’ Trevor? Or an opinion?

Didnt MM state that as a fact ?

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[Herlock Sholmes]

Didnt MM state that as a fact ?

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Yes. More accurately he should have said ‘probably.’

[Losmandris]

The only reason Kosmisnki has been coveted as a suspect all of these years is because of what is written in the marginalia, and people have ignored the MM in which it states Kosminkski should be exonerated and in which MM makes no mention of this mythical ID parade described in the marginalia.

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I think I am inclined to agree with you Trevor in the fact that this ID parade does appear all a bit mythical to me! Whatever happened I really don't think it can be relied upon as anywhere near close to fact.

[Abby Normal]

I think I am inclined to agree with you Trevor in the fact that this ID parade does appear all a bit mythical to me! Whatever happened I really don't think it can be relied upon as anywhere near close to fact.

not mythical at all. two cops mention it in detail and another alludes to it. two of the three name the suspect and we have the witness IDer who in all liklihood was lawende.
The ID took place, theres just some questions about exactly where.

[caz]

Of course Fanny Mortimer told everyone that she saw nothing, it's clear she was the real killer. Her name practically screams "death to prostitutes". Hell, she even left her initials in Kelly's room.

Nice one, Josh.

FM said she saw sweet FA because she planned to kill MJK all along.

Love,

Caz
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[caz]

But no witness ever saw the killer !!!!!!!!

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If MM said that, he could only have known it for a fact if he was the killer.

Good luck with that one.

Love,

Caz
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