Lawende is a red herring.

[Trevor Marriott]

Trevor has his own ideas on who "operated" on Eddowes after her murder.

and it certainly was not the killler!

[Wickerman]

Was that the case in 1888 when it was known as Church Passage?

Fire map for 1887 shows no covering.

Ah,you refer to Mitre Passage.

This map is dated Jan. 1887.
As you can see top left corner of Mitre Square, Heseltines Warehouse extends over the passage to St. James Place - St. James Passage.



The passage scales out to be about 22 ft long.

[DJA]

Hi Wicky.

Used to be known as Mitre Court,then Mitre Passage.

[Abby Normal]

it would only take three or four minutes to kill and mutilate eddowes. plus lawende and co saw tje same peaked cap man suspect as everyone else that night. lawende probably not a red herring. the police certainly didnt think so.

[Elamarna]

it would only take three or four minutes to kill and mutilate eddowes. plus lawende and co saw tje same peaked cap man suspect as everyone else that night. lawende probably not a red herring. the police certainly didnt think so.

Abby, Swanson in his report of the 19th October was not so convinced over the value of Lawende:

". In this case I understand from City Police that Mr. Lewin [sic – Lawende] one of the men identified the clothes only of the murdered woman Eddowes, which is a serious drawback to the value of the description of the man"

[Abby Normal]

Abby, Swanson in his report of the 19th October was not so convinced over the value of Lawende:

". In this case I understand from City Police that Mr. Lewin [sic – Lawende] one of the men identified the clothes only of the murdered woman Eddowes, which is a serious drawback to the value of the description of the man"

well they thought he was valuable enough to use as a witness in trying to id suspects, the only one in the whole case.

[Elamarna]

well they thought he was valuable enough to use as a witness in trying to id suspects, the only one in the whole case.

i would argue that he was used in cases where they knew the suspect was not the Ripper, that he was not the witness used for the Seaside Home ID.

Therefore there was another witness, and such was Schwartz.
Contray to much that is written, in early November, Schwartz was still seen as the most important witness by Scotland Yard.

[miakaal4]

It takes a modern surgeon about an hour to start and finish an appendectomy. So narrow that down to cut, find, remove, say 1 minute?
So if we give Jack 90 seconds, given it was very dark and having just dumped out the intestines, he was faced with a mess of gore. So 90 seconds to locate the kidney and remove put in apron. Then 90 to do the same with the womb. That is 3 minutes gone. Leaving at most 4 minutes to do everything else and get away. Including cut the apron. Must be superman.

[miakaal4]

Talking of time, Jack found the 10 minutes inside Watkins patrol to do the deed. He couldn't have had time to case the cop if he had just killed Stride. And Watkins was going in reverse. How could he know?? 5 mins each way he would have been caught.

[Joshua Rogan]

Talking of time, Jack found the 10 minutes inside Watkins patrol to do the deed. He couldn't have had time to case the cop if he had just killed Stride. And Watkins was going in reverse. How could he know?? 5 mins each way he would have been caught.

It's possible that the couple were standing at the end of Church Passage waiting for Watkins to leave the square, before entering. No need to worry about which way round he was going, just wait for him to leave and they have a fifteen minute (or so) window until he returns.

[miakaal4]

And naturally the whore would agree to it. But now we have to subtract 5 minutes due to Mr Lawende that leaves 10. If you break down the murder into parts ie 90 secs to get to murder spot, 90 secs to get her on her back throat cut etc, it works out to 10.5 minutes. But then he has to vanish.

[DJA]

Talking of time, Jack found the 10 minutes inside Watkins patrol to do the deed. He couldn't have had time to case the cop if he had just killed Stride. And Watkins was going in reverse. How could he know?? 5 mins each way he would have been caught.

Because he had a bolt hole behind the fence. Probably 6 Mitre Street.

Just needs to strangle Eddowes and do the eyes while waiting for Watkins to pass.He knows he then has 12 to 14 minutes.
Explains the lack of blood spray.
He knows Kate told the police "nothing".
It was where he was waiting before going out to write the GSG.
He had already placed her kidney in ethanol.
The red herring was the half apron which was initially used to avoid a trail of blood droplets back through the gate.

[DJA]

It's possible that the couple were standing at the end of Church Passage waiting for Watkins to leave the square, before entering. No need to worry about which way round he was going, just wait for him to leave and they have a fifteen minute (or so) window until he returns.

Nah. How would they know when Watkins left the Square?

Why in Hell would two people want to have sex in that cold dark corner at that time of the morning for 7 minutes?
There is no evidence that Eddowes was a sex worker.

He would have 7 minutes,tops and then have to avoid Watkins return. Not to mention the other cop.

[Scott Nelson]

The city police theory was that the Ripper and Eddowes waited for Watkins to make his round through Mitre Square, then they entered as Watkins was walking up Mitre Street. A news report (which I'm recalling from memory) stated that 7 minutes had elapsed since Watkins left the Square to the time he encountered a man emerging from Mitre Court (or St. James Passage). This would have occurred as Watkins was making his way around St. James Place (the Orange Market). This story also implies Watkins had been interviewed by city police sometime after the event.

[Wickerman]

Hi Wicky.

Used to be known as Mitre Court,then Mitre Passage.

That passage was known as Mitre Passage?
You remember where you got that from?
I've looked for a name for that passage, I haven't found a map with the name on it.