PC William Smith

[lynn cates]

home cooking

Hello Jon. Indeed. But I thought they had cooked their own?

Cheers.
LC

[Wickerman]

Hello Jon. Indeed. But I thought they had cooked their own?

Cheers.
LC

On what?

[Tom_Wescott]

Turned out the hibachi grill we went to was amazing. Had a great time. And I get home to an even rarer occurrence - Wickerman dropping some schooling on me. Goodonya about Mary Kelly's fish & chips. However I still don't think PC Smith would or could mistake a newspaper rolled up with fish for a package. But anything's possible.

Yours truly,

Tom Wescott

[Wickerman]

....and please offer your girlfriend all our best wishes from the forum on her birthday.

[RedBundy13]

Intoxicated not drunk

So Lewande was intoxicated?

Wheres that 'fact' printed?

Monty

I thought it went without saying that they were drinking in the bar, their blurrey references, vage descriptions and them not being able to identify them again about says it for me. Or did you just think that they were teetotaler's visting the bar that night? Noticed I said intoxicated, not drunk. How am I supposed to know how much they had drank? It could have been 1 or it could have been 25. But since you do bring it up I'm gonna put it out there and say that at that time of night, I would bet my last dime that they had closer to the ladder then the former.

[RedBundy13]

Note that this conversation took place between 12.30 and 12.35. If you take the standard time of Liz's demise and the Schwartz story seriously, you've got a good bit of gap.

Of course, the standard time for Liz's demise and the Schwartz story entail their own set of anomalies.

Cheers.
LC

Hi Lynn, yes I do agree that the times do entail some anomalies. There is a really interesting article about Smith's times in the Disertations section of Casebook called Smith's Beat by Gavin Bromley. In it he really goes into great detail about Smith's patrol. His conclusion is is that it was most likely around 15 minutes instead of the 25 most people think it took him to leave and then return. That 10 minutes, in my mind, makes a huge difference.

I do agree that it would have been very stupid for the Ripper to have let himself be seen by the police but it also would have been almost impossible to avoid if Smith had came up the street off of Fairclough as opposed to coming down from Commercial. If Smith did come down from Commercial he would have been seen from well off and JtR would of had time to walk off and come back later.

One thing I would like to point out is that Im not saying that Lawende, Harris and Levy are bad witnesses Im just saying that I think Smith should get as much if not more credit then they did and still do. After all Smith and Lawende did just about describe the same person.

I was just wondering, do u believe Stride to be one of the Rippers victims?

[RedBundy13]

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Good point, it definitely could have been mistaken for a parcel wrapped in newspaper.

[RedBundy13]

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If Mary Kelly had not gone out after servicing Blotchy at midnight anything she had eaten beforehand would have been digested by the time of her death (3:30 am?).
The undigested "fish & potato's" demonstrates she went out again, and that such food was available through the night.



What about her having been witnessed vomiting around 8am? I too think she never was seen after 4am

[Monty]

I thought it went without saying that they were drinking in the bar, their blurrey references, vage descriptions and them not being able to identify them again about says it for me. Or did you just think that they were teetotaler's visting the bar that night? Noticed I said intoxicated, not drunk. How am I supposed to know how much they had drank? It could have been 1 or it could have been 25. But since you do bring it up I'm gonna put it out there and say that at that time of night, I would bet my last dime that they had closer to the ladder then the former.

You're confusing a club with a pub. Whilst its possible alcohol may have been consumed the clubs primary function was as a meeting place not a drinking place.

The assumption, in an age where tempereance was rife, that these men were intoxiacted is not entirely without reasoned doubt. We do not know Lewande and Cos drinking habits, we do not know the reasons why they were there (meeting, aiding a fellow member with naturalisation matters etc), drink may not have been their prime concern.

As stated, it was a club not a bar or pub.

Monty

[RedBundy13]

You're confusing a club with a pub. Whilst its possible alcohol may have been consumed the clubs primary function was as a meeting place not a drinking place.


Monty

I do see what your are saying and it's a good point, but I still think they had been drinking

Bundy

[Monty]

I do see what your are saying and it's a good point, but I still think they had been drinking

Bundy

Well I can't state they were stone cold sober either, so I do see your point also.

Monty

[lynn cates]

stove

Hello Jon. Well, I presumed in a stove in the lodging house kitchen.

Cheers.
LC

[lynn cates]

Jack whom?

Hello Red. Thanks.

Do I believe Stride was a ripper victim? Well, to be perfectly honest, I don't believe there ever WAS a "Jack the Ripper." 5 women were killed and their names have been inextricably linked together by theoreticians--but from the beginning it was not so.

Cheers.
LC

[Wickerman]

Hello Jon. Well, I presumed in a stove in the lodging house kitchen.

Cheers.
LC

Lodging-house kitchen?
Are you suggesting Millers Court had a kitchen? There's no mention of McCarthy making kitchen facilities available for his tenants. His address was a shop converted from a house with no general kitchen facilities like a lodging-house might have, or do you mean Crossinghams across the road?

More likely she went for supper at a local chandlers shop with the proceeds from Blotchy.

Either way, she left her room after Blotchy, yes?

Regards, Jon S.

[Ben]

Either way, she left her room after Blotchy, yes?

No good reason to think so in my view, Jon.

Medical opinion seems to be divided on the time of fish and chips consumption in Kelly's case. There was a doctor who used to post here under the name of "Tutto", and he believed the evidence was consistent with a dining time around 11:30-12:00, i.e. the time she was seen with Blotchy, implying perhaps that she had already eaten when seen by Mary Cox. However, I know that other medical professionals have offered a much later time. Even if the latter is correct, it wouldn't prove that she "left her room after Blotchy".

All the best,
Ben