Schwartz, a fraud?

[Tom_Wescott]

How about 'Swiss Man', since he apparently had a knife that could also be used as a pipe?

Yours truly,

Tom Wescott

[mariab]

Or “Switch Man“, switching from knife to pipe in a jiffy.

[Tom_Wescott]

I don't know, if Pipe Man's a switch hitter, what does that say about BS Man?

Yours truly,

Tom Wescott

[mariab]

Is that a baseball joke? (Cuz I don't know a thing about baseball.)

[Tom_Wescott]

No, Maria, it's a gay joke. And my 'Swiss Man' comment was a joke on swiss knives. If a joke has to be explained, it's not funny, so I'll be quiet now.

Yours truly,

Tom Wescott

[mariab]

switchin' it

I got the Swiss knife but not the gay. (Which proves that you were wrong when complaining “all women love them some gays“ the other day, lol.)

But a switch-hitter in baseball is a player who bats both right-handed and left-handed. And switch riding in snowboarding/wakeboarding is riding with the tail of the board in front, which I do at 40%, yep. And a switch jump is called a cab jump, from Cali skater Steve Caballero (whom you might have heard of as a punk rocker in the '80s). I got a cab 180° which I wish were bigger.
(Apologies for the brief highjack, I'm missing riding big time and getting all frothy at the mouth right now.)

And I'll be quiet too, cuz I gotta eat. (Probably only way to get me quiet.)

[Bridewell]

Translation

How about 'Swiss Man', since he apparently had a knife that could also be used as a pipe?

Yours truly,

Tom Wescott

Does anyone has any knowledge of Hungarian - or indeed Yiddish? It would be interesting to know what (if any) word might be translated (or mistranslated) as either 'pipe' or 'knife'.

Regards, Bridewell

[GregBaron]

Classic 60's...

Hello Greg. Actually, I prefer "Danger Man" myself.

Good one Lynn. I suggest we rename Casebook to "Mission Impossible"...

I was demonstrating that Schwartz's story could be bogus and yet he not personally have lied.

At any rate, I had not mentioned conspiracy. Sometimes, two people act together; other times, not. Whether they do or not must be ascertained based on certain criteria. One can neither rule them in nor out a priori.

Quite true Lynn. This I can't deny yet personally I consider it unlikely that Schwartz fabricated or his translator had an agenda......

Sorry. i disagree. You see an apparently innocent woman getting attacked by a stranger and that stranger then insults you and you run away. To me, and any reasonable person i think would find those actions as cowardly.

Thats why if IS is lying about anything, I think it might be about Pipeman who turns into knifeman to help alleviate his less than brave actions.

Sorry Abby but I have to disagree here. 99% of all humans are cowards. People have been assaulted time and again in broad daylight in major cities and no one does anything. It's the same mentality that allows millions of Germans to look the other way when the Jews are being sent to the death camps. For Schwartz to have gotten involved would have been an exceptional action. Besides, a woman being assaulted in Whitechapel was probably commonplace...........


Greg

[Debra A]

Does anyone has any knowledge of Hungarian - or indeed Yiddish? It would be interesting to know what (if any) word might be translated (or mistranslated) as either 'pipe' or 'knife'.

Regards, Bridewell

Hi Colin,
I wondered the same a while back.
if you go here:
translator

Put in knife, then pipe and press the speaker icon after each written translation and you will hear (and see) that the Hungarian for both objects is not similar at all. But, if you compare the pronunciation of dagger and pipe, they are quite similar sounding...to my ears at least.
Let me know what you think.

[lynn cates]

pressure

Hello Greg. Thanks.

Of course, the IWMEC was watched by the Met and were under considerable pressure.

Cheers.
LC

[Bridewell]

Dagger & Pipe

Hi Colin,
I wondered the same a while back.
if you go here:
translator

Put in knife, then pipe and press the speaker icon after each written translation and you will hear (and see) that the Hungarian for both objects is not similar at all. But, if you compare the pronunciation of dagger and pipe, they are quite similar sounding...to my ears at least.
Let me know what you think.

Hi Debs,

I think they sound very similar - different initial sound but, phonetically, I think they rhyme and I can imagine one being mistaken for the other.

Regards, Colin.

[Debra A]

Hi Debs,

I think they sound very similar - different initial sound but, phonetically, I think they rhyme and I can imagine one being mistaken for the other.

Regards, Colin.

Exactly what I thought too, Colin. Thanks.

[Bridewell]

If Schwartz was a fraud, there must have been a reason for the deception. It could have been financial, but I doubt if he could have anticipated making sufficient money to justify the risk that he might be required to perjure himself at inquest.

Just by way of speculation, there is a suggestion that ES may have been waiting for someone. What if she was waiting for Schwartz? Depending on which account you read, he has either BS Man or Pipeman shouting, 'Lipski!' Is it possible that another Jewish man, living a couple of streets away from where Israel Lipski had lodged, and sharing his forename, might have been nicknamed 'Lipski' and that it was, in fact, ES herself who called out to him? If he was furtively seeing another woman behind his wife's back, I could well understand his running from a situation which could prove highly embarrassing. His subsequent story would provide an innocent explanation if anyone had overheard the word 'Lipski'.

I emphasise that the above is no more than hypothesis, but the nature of the premise postulated by this thread invites such speculation.

Having said all that, I've read Fisherman's earlier suggestion that the word 'Lipski' could have been a mishearing of 'Lizzie' and can't discount that as a possibility.

Regards, Bridewell.

[mariab]

Does anyone has any knowledge of Hungarian - or indeed Yiddish? It would be interesting to know what (if any) word might be translated (or mistranslated) as either 'pipe' or 'knife'.

Interesting and imaginative idea, Bridewell and Debs. To my ears and eyes “tőr“ {“te-er“} and “cső“ {s-ch-e-e“} don't sound too similar, unless the Star translator was hard of hearing and in a hurry. (Which he might have been, after all.)
In spoken Yiddish "knife/dagger" and "pipe" sound completely different, but the Star translator documentedly spoke Hungarian with Schwartz.

Thanks for the cool translator tool by the way, Debs. VERY helpful for rare languages like Hungarian, esp. the acustic feature.

Quite true Lynn. {...} yet personally I consider it unlikely that Schwartz fabricated or his translator had an agenda...

The possibility that Schwartz was related to the IWEC has been considered since years. As Tom and Lynn know and have suggested on numerous occasions, there's even strong circumstantial evidence for this. Incidentally, I'm researching this and plan to prepare an article at some point during the summer.

As for the "Lizzie" debate, "Lipski" having been Schwartz' "nickname" and whatnot, please! Abberline was real experienced in the Whitechapel environment and interviewed Schwartz numerous times on this, also at the request of the HO. It makes sense to trust him on the meaning of "Lispki".

[mariab]

The upper echelon at the Met put great faith in Schwartz; the local coppers, not so much.

Hello Lynn. Just saw this. Do you have evidence for such an interpretation (apart from the Star and the Police Gazette reports)?