A photograph of Joseph Lawende in 1899

[Elamarna]

There are comprehensive lists of serial murderers in England, Germany, Poland and Russia.

Here are some statistics:


There have been 66 serial killers or serial killer couples, including immigrants, who committed murders in England.

NONE HAD ANY JEWISH ANCESTRY.


I have a list of 33 sexual or sadistic serial murderers, at least six of whom killed prostitutes, and who committed murder in England.

NONE HAD ANY JEWISH ANCESTRY.

TWO OF THE ENGLISH SERIAL MURDERERS WERE SAILORS, SIX MURDERED PROSTITUTES, BUT NONE WAS JEWISH.

WHY DO SO MANY POSTERS RIDICULE MY THEORY THAT THE WHITECHAPEL MURDERER WAS A SAILOR YET SO MANY THEMSELVES SUGGEST THAT HE WAS JEWISH - EVEN THOUGH THERE IS NOT A SINGLE CASE ON RECORD OF A JEWISH SERIAL MURDERER IN ENGLAND?


Two of the 15 listed Polish murderers were necrophiles.

THERE IS NO RECORDED CASE OF A JEWISH NECROPHILE.

NONE OF THE 15 POLISH SERIAL KILLERS HAD ANY JEWISH ANCESTRY.

THERE HAS NEVER BEEN A RECORDED CASE OF A POLISH JEWISH SERIAL MURDERER.

THERE HAS NEVER BEEN A RECORDED CASE OF A JEWISH SERIAL MURDERER IN ENGLAND.

THERE IS NO RECORDED CASE OF A JEWISH PERSON HAVING MURDERED PROSTITUTES IN ANY COUNTRY.

THERE IS NO RECORDED CASE OF A JEWISH MURDERER TAKING A BODY PART FROM A VICTIM AS A TROPHY.

What makes people here think that it is likely that the Whitechapel Murderer was Jewish?



The 36 Russian (Russian SSR and post-1990 Russia) serial killers included Vadim the Bloodsucker, The Bataysk Maniac, The Rostov Ripper, The Tagansky Maniac, The Urals Strangler, The Leningrad Strangler, The Gorky Maniac, The Iskitim Maniac, The Vnukovo Maniac, The Vologda Ripper, The Alexandrovsky Ripper, the Kuybyshev Monster, The Luberetsky Maniac, The Maniac from Lenenergo, The Gatchina Psychopath, The Smolensky Strangler, The Bloody Casanova, The Arkhangelsk Butcher, The Black Tights Killer, The Ulyanovsky Maniac and The Urals Monster.

At least five of the murderers mutilated their victims and three were necrophiles.

Three of them were known by the name 'Ripper'.

NONE OF THE 36 RUSSIAN SERIAL KILLERS WAS JEWISH OR HAD ANY JEWISH ANCESTRY.

THERE IS NO RECORDED CASE OF A JEWISH NECROPHILE.



I have a list of 37 sexual and sadistic German serial killers, including The Beast of Aubing, The Hammer-Killer of Frankfurt, The Berlin Butcher, the Rhein-Ruhr Ripper, The Butcher of Hanover, The Horror of the Brandenburg Forest, The Ruhr Cannibal, The Vampire of Düsseldorf, The Hammer-Killer, The Strangler, The Acid Killer, The Strangler of Aachen, The Terror of Falkenhagen Lake, The Monster from Lower Rhine, The Rhine-Ruhr-Ripper, The Hesse Ripper, and the The Havel Ripper.

At least eight of the 37 German serial killers murdered prostitutes.

Four of them committed murders in more than one country.

Three of them were known by the name 'Ripper'.

Eleven of them mutilated or dismembered their victims.

Four of them cannibalised or sold meat from the victims as animal meat.

One of them took body parts from his victims.


NONE OF THE GERMAN SERIAL KILLERS HAD JEWISH ANCESTRY.

THERE IS NO RECORDED CASE OF A GERMAN JEWISH SERIAL MURDERER.

THERE IS NO RECORDED CASE OF A JEWISH PERSON MUTILATING A WOMAN.

THERE IS NO RECORDED CASE OF A JEWISH CANNIBAL NOR OF A JEW SELLING HUMAN MEAT.


Since there is no recorded case of a Polish Jewish serial murderer in any country, nor of a Jew committing a series of murders in England, nor of a Jew killing prostitutes in any country, nor of a Jew mutilating a woman in any country, nor of a Jew taking a body part from a victim in any country, what makes you think that the Whitechapel Murderer is likely to have been a Polish Jew?

So now we have the claim, that A Jewish person is unlikely to murder, that itself is a form of prejudice, do you not see that?

I really hoped we were passed the stage of stereotyping, and claiming some are more or less likely to behave in a certain way, sadly it seems not.

There is no evidence the killer sold human meat, so that is irrelevant.

The so called evidence for cannibalism is based solely on the from hell letter, many dispute such was genuine. So again largely irrelevant.

In addition, how someone behaves during periodic mental illness attacks, is no indicator of normal behaviour.

The issue to me is that you are 100% convinced that to name a Jew as a suspect is simply anti Semitic or bias.

That you do not, or are not prepared to accept that your view is itself highly questionable and prejudicial is why you cannot look at all the possibilities.


Why do I think the killer is likely to be Jewish?

1. I believe that the killer was local, for a variety of reasons.

There was a very large percentage of that local population which was Jewish, therefore the odds on the killer being Jewish must roughly equal that percentage of the population.

To exclude all Jewish persons is a form of the bias and prejudice you claim is responsible for suspecting a Jewish person in the first place.

2. I believe the senior police( those who needed to know) reached the conclusion they did based on evidence.

Today all we are aware of is the identification, which you dismiss as fantasy.
You apparently do so because you believe the Killer COULD NOT be Jewish, and therefore the police are merely scapegoating an unnamed person, which is itself highly illogical.

To exclude and preclude because of out own bias is a serious flaw for a researcher, you apparently don't see this is an issue.

3. We are told the suspect first came to the attention of the investigation following the door to door search, so there was clearly other evidence, now lost.

What this included is unknown, but may have included the Batty Street incident, family concerns, the results of surveillance, a second ID, verifying the main ID. The list of possibilities goes on.

Macnaghten says there were MANY circumstances to consider the man he called Kosminski. That he ultimately rejected him in favour of Druitt is actually neither here nor there, the important issue is that he DID CONSIDER him.

That is what this is all about, being prepared to consider any suspect, from any background, look at the arguments, dont dismiss those arguments or evidence that do not fit our own theories of bias.
This you appear to be unwilling to do.

[PRIVATE INVESTIGATOR 1]

Although I certainly can’t claim to have read every response to every one of your posts I’m unaware of anyone ‘ridiculing’ the theory that the Ripper could have been a sailor.

You can’t expect people to accept what you’ve claimed without evidence.

There is no evidence that the killer was a sailor. He might have been one but unless evidence can be provided against an individual who was also a sailor then we have nothing to go on.

Well, it is possible that the ridicule directed at my theory that the murderer was a fair-haired sailor, probably from a Nordic country, would not be directed at someone else making the suggestion.

I don't know.

I can assure you that the jacket worn by the suspect seen by Lawende was commonly worn by sailors and that is probably one of the reasons Lawende said he had the appearance of a sailor.

I have never said that the fact that Lawende said the man had the appearance of a sailor proves that the man was a sailor, but it is plausible and - I would suggest - not deserving of ridicule.

Similarly, there has been much hair-splitting about whether blond is the same as fair, whether the man's head hair was of the same colour as his moustache, and whether being blond merits the description 'Nordic'.

I described him as a Nordic sailor in order to contrast him with an Eastern European Jew.

It was shorthand.

I do think he was Nordic and blond-haired and he was a sailor.

The area abounded with foreign sailors.

I hope you are not going to ask me to prove that!

I never said it was impossible for Kosminski to have had fair hair nor that Eastern European Jews never had fair hair.

Photographs were reproduced here by my critics.

One showed what is thought to be a brother of Kosminski, with very dark hair, and the other showed a woman (possibly Joseph Lawende's wife) and a young

girl at a Jewish wedding.

The woman's hair looked darkish at the sides - she may have had brown hair - and the girl had dark hair, not fair hair.

I don't expect to find proof that the murderer was a sailor, let alone one bearing a name, and I don't expect anyone else ever to be able to name the murderer without having his or her tongue in his or her cheek at the same time.

I presented my view based on the evidence.

I have been told that I cannot grasp basic facts when I say that Eddowes was murdered about three minutes after Lawende's sighting and that it was really ten minutes.

Then someone else said it could have been as much as 15 minutes.

Those critics of mine are not going by the evidence.

I am.

[Herlock Sholmes]

WHY DO SO MANY POSTERS RIDICULE MY THEORY THAT THE WHITECHAPEL MURDERER WAS A SAILOR YET SO MANY THEMSELVES SUGGEST THAT HE WAS JEWISH - EVEN THOUGH THERE IS NOT A SINGLE CASE ON RECORD OF A JEWISH SERIAL MURDERER IN ENGLAND.

Although I certainly can’t claim to have read every response to every one of your posts I’m unaware of anyone ‘ridiculing’ the theory that the Ripper could have been a sailor. After all it’s a suggestion that’s been around for many years and in the modern era Trevor Marriott went down that line to come up with his suspect. As we don’t know who the killer was then he might have been a sailor for all that we know.

The issue with your theory, for me at least, is that as far as I’m aware (and of course I might be wrong in that you have provided more evidence somewhere on here that I’ve missed) the only ‘evidence’ that you’ve provided is the description by Lawende of the man that he saw talking to a woman; that he had the ‘appearance’ of a Sailor. When describing his general appearance he describes a neckerchief, a peaked cap and a ‘salt and pepper’ jacket.

Now, when I pressed you for evidence (five or six times) on your statement that the ‘salt and pepper’ jacket was of a kind commonly worn by sailors you simply refused to respond. As far as I’m aware no one can find any such evidence. If it exists then fine, but it needs to be produced or what you really should be doing is admitting that you were in error and that this kind of jacket has no connection to sailors. It’s as simple as that. You can’t expect people to accept what you’ve claimed without evidence.

And so if this indeed is the case and the jacket had no known connection to sailors then all that we have to go on is the neckerchief and peaked cap. Surely it has to be conceded that this can’t be considered strong evidence of the man being a sailor? You will notice that I’m still not saying that the killer couldn’t have been a sailor; only that you are on thin ground when you rely solely on a neckerchief and a peaked cap. A quick glance at photographs from that era will show neckerchiefs galore. And peaked caps were hardly a rarity. So there’s simply no way that we can assume or state that the man was a sailor based on his hat and neck scarf; anymore than I could say ‘well the graffito was written in chalk…..who would carry chalk…..a schoolteacher.’ Or that the killer was a butcher (perhaps explaining anatomical knowledge?) or an ex-police officer because he avoided the officers on their beats.

There is no evidence that the killer was a sailor. He might have been one but unless evidence can be provided against an individual who was also a sailor then we have nothing to go on.

[DJA]

Perhaps Jack's father and uncle were sailors.

[PRIVATE INVESTIGATOR 1]

Oh dear, you can't accept that Abberline didn't know.
If such is indeed the case as i and others believe it is his statements are irrelevant.

I cannot answer your opinion?
Really?
I have been doing that for several.days, but you are just not listening my friend.

The view that it was against Jewish law to give a fellow jew up to gentile law is NOT unfounded.
You have been given the evidence,that such existed and was practiced amoungst the new comers to the UK in the 1880s.
Yet your Bias refuses to let you see that.

There are comprehensive lists of serial murderers in England, Germany, Poland and Russia.

Here are some statistics:


There have been 66 serial killers or serial killer couples, including immigrants, who committed murders in England.

NONE HAD ANY JEWISH ANCESTRY.


I have a list of 33 sexual or sadistic serial murderers, at least six of whom killed prostitutes, and who committed murder in England.

NONE HAD ANY JEWISH ANCESTRY.

TWO OF THE ENGLISH SERIAL MURDERERS WERE SAILORS, SIX MURDERED PROSTITUTES, BUT NONE WAS JEWISH.

WHY DO SO MANY POSTERS RIDICULE MY THEORY THAT THE WHITECHAPEL MURDERER WAS A SAILOR YET SO MANY THEMSELVES SUGGEST THAT HE WAS JEWISH - EVEN THOUGH THERE IS NOT A SINGLE CASE ON RECORD OF A JEWISH SERIAL MURDERER IN ENGLAND?


Two of the 15 listed Polish murderers were necrophiles.

THERE IS NO RECORDED CASE OF A JEWISH NECROPHILE.

NONE OF THE 15 POLISH SERIAL KILLERS HAD ANY JEWISH ANCESTRY.

THERE HAS NEVER BEEN A RECORDED CASE OF A POLISH JEWISH SERIAL MURDERER.

THERE HAS NEVER BEEN A RECORDED CASE OF A JEWISH SERIAL MURDERER IN ENGLAND.

THERE IS NO RECORDED CASE OF A JEWISH PERSON HAVING MURDERED PROSTITUTES IN ANY COUNTRY.

THERE IS NO RECORDED CASE OF A JEWISH MURDERER TAKING A BODY PART FROM A VICTIM AS A TROPHY.

What makes people here think that it is likely that the Whitechapel Murderer was Jewish?



The 36 Russian (Russian SSR and post-1990 Russia) serial killers included Vadim the Bloodsucker, The Bataysk Maniac, The Rostov Ripper, The Tagansky Maniac, The Urals Strangler, The Leningrad Strangler, The Gorky Maniac, The Iskitim Maniac, The Vnukovo Maniac, The Vologda Ripper, The Alexandrovsky Ripper, the Kuybyshev Monster, The Luberetsky Maniac, The Maniac from Lenenergo, The Gatchina Psychopath, The Smolensky Strangler, The Bloody Casanova, The Arkhangelsk Butcher, The Black Tights Killer, The Ulyanovsky Maniac and The Urals Monster.

At least five of the murderers mutilated their victims and three were necrophiles.

Three of them were known by the name 'Ripper'.

NONE OF THE 36 RUSSIAN SERIAL KILLERS WAS JEWISH OR HAD ANY JEWISH ANCESTRY.

THERE IS NO RECORDED CASE OF A JEWISH NECROPHILE.



I have a list of 37 sexual and sadistic German serial killers, including The Beast of Aubing, The Hammer-Killer of Frankfurt, The Berlin Butcher, the Rhein-Ruhr Ripper, The Butcher of Hanover, The Horror of the Brandenburg Forest, The Ruhr Cannibal, The Vampire of Düsseldorf, The Hammer-Killer, The Strangler, The Acid Killer, The Strangler of Aachen, The Terror of Falkenhagen Lake, The Monster from Lower Rhine, The Rhine-Ruhr-Ripper, The Hesse Ripper, and the The Havel Ripper.

At least eight of the 37 German serial killers murdered prostitutes.

Four of them committed murders in more than one country.

Three of them were known by the name 'Ripper'.

Eleven of them mutilated or dismembered their victims.

Four of them cannibalised or sold meat from the victims as animal meat.

One of them took body parts from his victims.


NONE OF THE GERMAN SERIAL KILLERS HAD JEWISH ANCESTRY.

THERE IS NO RECORDED CASE OF A GERMAN JEWISH SERIAL MURDERER.

THERE IS NO RECORDED CASE OF A JEWISH PERSON MUTILATING A WOMAN.

THERE IS NO RECORDED CASE OF A JEWISH CANNIBAL NOR OF A JEW SELLING HUMAN MEAT.


Since there is no recorded case of a Polish Jewish serial murderer in any country, nor of a Jew committing a series of murders in England, nor of a Jew killing prostitutes in any country, nor of a Jew mutilating a woman in any country, nor of a Jew taking a body part from a victim in any country, what makes you think that the Whitechapel Murderer is likely to have been a Polish Jew?

[Herlock Sholmes]

22, not 32, Herlock.

Well spotted.

[Dickere]

I realise that I can’t get a response but I’ll still make a simple response with a few maybe’s.

Maybe because 1910 was 32 years after 1888 and situations change? Maybe he felt that there was no longer the same threat of riot in 1910? Or, maybe as he’d been retired for 9 years he thought that it was no longer his problem? Maybe they didn’t ‘announce’ Kosminski because they didn’t have enough evidence and they knew that he would never be free again? Maybe the witness couldn’t ID the killer with confidence and he was worried about sending an innocent man to the gallows and maybe the police who were present, because they were confident, suspected that he was reluctant to ID a fellow Jew. Maybe this is how the information was relayed to Anderson and he just took is as a fact rather than opinion?

Maybe?

22, not 32, Herlock.

[Parisi North Humber]

Was using the term 'Jewish appearance' a way of saying Eastern European?

I have often wondered what was meant by "Jewish appearance".
Did it mean genetic as in thick dark hair and swarthy skin or did it mean cultural as in clothes and/or a Kippah or was it a mixture possibly including mannerisms?

Helen x

[The Baron]

It's a reasonable objection, except that Anderson himself dismissed Mylett and McKenzie as Ripper victims.

There is still Stride and Tabram.

Ongoing official and open Investigation had nothing to do with what Anderson believed.


TB

[rjpalmer]

I don't think it is strange since there were 7 victims before Coles and it was not set in stone that all of them were victims of one hand only.


TB

It's a reasonable objection, except that Anderson himself dismissed Mylett and McKenzie as Ripper victims.

Equally important, there is a credible report that the Aldgate witness (Joseph Lawende) was used in a failed attempt to identify Sadler.

That rather puts a damper on he objection, since no one can credibly argue that Scotland Yard didn't think that Kate Eddowes was a victim of Jack the Ripper. In some ways, she and Annie Chapman were the only undeniable victims of the same hand, though it's hard for me to believe that Nichols and Kelly weren't also.

[The Baron]

Further, Swanson and Macnaghten were involved in the Sadler investigation, as was Henry Moore. It is clear that SY was attempting to trace Sadler's movements in 1888, including his supposed employment at a warehouse in Buck's Row.

Rather strange behavior had they already positively determined that Kosminski was the Ripper "back in the day."

Cheers.

I don't think it is strange since there were 7 victims before Coles and it was not set in stone that all of them were victims of one hand only.


TB

[rjpalmer]

But years later (According to HL Adam in the Foreward of his book) Smith apparently changed his mind about the Ripper's identity -- his friendship with Anderson having been on the mend.

Hi Scott,

Well, all I can say is that you're certainly getting a lot of mileage out of this simple statement by HL Adam in his introduction to The Trial of George Chapman:

"Several prominent officials have from time to time asserted that they had established his identity. The late Sir Melville Macnaghten, the late Sir Robert Anderson, Sir Henry Smith, and many others of less importance have assured us regarding this."

No one has ever located any source for Smith changing his mind about the non-identification of the Ripper between 1910 and 1930, let alone that he went over to Robert Anderson's way of thinking.

I suspect Adam is misremembering or misstating Smith's comments about Oswald Puckeridge in 1910, forgetting that Smith admitted that Puckeridge (who he does not name by name) had had an alibi.

That's how I see it.

Further, Swanson and Macnaghten were involved in the Sadler investigation, as was Henry Moore. It is clear that SY was attempting to trace Sadler's movements in 1888, including his supposed employment at a warehouse in Buck's Row.

Rather strange behavior had they already positively determined that Kosminski was the Ripper "back in the day."

Cheers.

[Sunny Delight]

The guy in the picture doesn’t look particularly Jewish (maybe slightly?) and would anyone be able to tell anyway from across a road in less that ideal lighting. And let’s not forget, Lawende said that he wouldn’t have been able to ID the man so he certainly didn’t pay close attention to his face. This is obvious stuff.

Could the man seen with Eddowes have been Jewish? Of course he could. It doesn’t mean that he was of course but he certainly could have been.

Was using the term 'Jewish appearance' a way of saying Eastern European?

[Scott Nelson]

One can perhaps start to see why Sugden, Evans, Wood and others began to doubt how any of this could 'gel' into a credible solution.

Hi RJ,

Last I heard, Adam Wood preferred the "another Kosminski" theory.

Regarding the apparent lack of knowledge of Kosminski at SY, I think Henry Moore, in addition to Anderson and Swanson, knew. Sagar and Henry Smith as well. Recall Smith interviewed a witness from the Mitre Square murder and recounted that he would not be able to identify the man again, so Smith was probably reluctant to proceed with the "Seaside Home" identification and thereafter didn't recall it as being anything conclusive (that Kosminski could be the Ripper). But years later (According to HL Adam in the Foreward of his book) Smith apparently changed his mind about the Ripper's identity -- his friendship with Anderson having been on the mend.

I think that the limited knowledge of Kosminski at SY and the City Police was on a "need to know" basis because of witness non-cooperation, family pressure and the religious strife that could have affected the region.

Oh, but I'm talking about David Cohen (Kosminski), not Aaron Kosminski. If we try to shoehorn Cohen into the October house-to-house search, I think the timing works better than for the enfeebled former hairdresser, Aaron Kosminski.

[rjpalmer]

Also:

Author: Stewart P Evans
Tuesday, 02 July 2002 - 03:13 am


"The Home Secretary's conclusion was that it would be more practical to, "...take all houses in a given area which appear suspicious upon the best inquiry your detectives can make. Search all those, which the owners or persons in charge will allow you to search. Where leave is refused, apply to a magistrate for a search warrant, on the ground that it is probable or possible the murderer may be there. If search warrants are refused, you can only keep the houses under observation..."

"To specify the meaning of the word 'clue', used by Anderson, to suit a preferred suspect is stretching the imagination a little too far. A clue is a clue, whether it is of a physical nature or supplied by way of the verbal evidence of a witness. There is no reason to suppose, from the official records, that the house to house enquiries threw up a specific suspect. Indeed the contrary is indicated. The police report of 25 October 1888, to the Home Office, concluded, "I do not think there is any reason whatever for supposing that murderer of Whitechapel is one of the ordinary denizens of that place."

"It is amazing how Anderson's later writings are retrospectively applied to the official reports of 1888 and used to qualify or interpret them differently from the obvious meaning intended. The argument thus, again devolves to Anderson and his odd quotes."