Hutch's Man

[Busy Beaver]

You include Bowyer?
Yet, the one man who accosted women in the street, tried to get them to accompany him down dark ally's, and was seen with a woman outside the Britannia on the night Kelly was murdered, he gets a free pass?

IS this man aka "a man","Bethnal Green Botherer" or "Brittania man"? I have just included men who were known to had actually gone up Millar's Court that night. It is not impossible that one of these three men accompanied MJK up to the court and then murdered her between 0.315am and 0.400am. As all the other men had gone by this time.

[Wickerman]

........ I personally do not believe George was there at all that night.

Hi Michael.

So, did Hutch just place himself at the right time & place out of shear luck?

[Sam Flynn]

The good news is, if you skip Version 2 of Hutch's Man and the ten suspects listed there, surely you will vote in Version 3, also coming soon because YOUR favorite suspect will be included on the list. That's right-- Mr. you know who. See you soon in V3.

Ah, but who's to say that anyone's favourite suspect was involved? V3 it is, then

[Roy Corduroy]

Well Buckle My Shoe, Michael, long time no see -

Please include "no-one' if you are going to re-start the thread, I personally do not believe George was there at all that night.

Sorry but as I explained to Mr. Normal, I've yet to enter a voting booth where one of the choices is Nobody.

The good news is, if you skip Version 2 of Hutch's Man and the ten suspects listed there, surely you will vote in Version 3, also coming soon because YOUR favorite suspect will be included on the list. That's right-- Mr. you know who. See you soon in V3.

Roy

[Roy Corduroy]

Good evening Mr Normal,

... your poll dosnt include the obvious choices like none of the above, other or no one (many people believe that aman was fictional).

I've never been in a voting booth where one of the choices is Nobody.

You see, this poll is for people who believe George Hutchinson saw a man with Mary Kelly. It allows the voter to choose WHO he thinks that person was. That's why it's in the Witness Section, not Suspects. There are already Ten 10 (countem') 10 thousand George Hutchinson Suspect threads questioning his veracity. This is not one of them.

Nor it is a generic Kelly-thon.

You've got it all backwards. Hope this helps.

Roy

[Abby Normal]

You include Bowyer?
Yet, the one man who accosted women in the street, tried to get them to accompany him down dark ally's, and was seen with a woman outside the Britannia on the night Kelly was murdered, he gets a free pass?

and his behavior frightened them off too!.

[Wickerman]

Blotchy is a good suspect, but I do strongly feel that there was no way that Jack was going let himself be seen by anyone. The next suspects in no particular order are Astrachan Man, Bowyer and Hutch. Failing that MJK must have come out of her room after Astrachan man if this sighting by Hutch is correct. By this time Hutch has gone, Ms Lewis is tucked up in bed as is Mrs Cox, Prater and Mrs Kennedy if she also exists. Bowyer saw nothing (or did he?) whilst using the tap. It might just be fair to say that the 0.400am call of murder was indeed MJK. Jack obviously felt comfortable going to the court, went in to the room, murdered and took off again before he was seen and yes, he would have been a trapped rat if he stayed any longer than he felt comfortable with. Jack 1, everyone else a big fat 0.

You include Bowyer?
Yet, the one man who accosted women in the street, tried to get them to accompany him down dark ally's, and was seen with a woman outside the Britannia on the night Kelly was murdered, he gets a free pass?

[Wickerman]

Jon, the issues I would have with the notion of Mary being dead by 2:30 are these...is it feasible to presume that the killer did all that work in near darkness?

Don't misunderstand me Michael, I am not suggesting I believe she was dead by 2:30.
I am proposing that the coroner may have considered this because he may have known about Dr Bond's estimated time of death, and that Cox's suspect (Blotchy) was a best fit for what Dr Bond proposed.
Therefore, the coroner viewed this loiterer as potentially an accomplice, after the fact. Which is what the Pardon was concerned with.

I think Blotchy is the best suspect here, for one we KNOW he entered the room that night with Mary, we have a courtyard resident that confirms that fact. And for another, it would seem that we cannot confirm he left that room before 1:30..only that is was dark and quiet by then. But I still cant wrap my head around a killer who I suppose could accomplish what was done in near darkness in what, an hour or so?..then staying in the room afterwards while hearing bootsteps pass the door throughout the night. The trapped rat thing.

Ok, the above is not clear. If you fancy Blotchy as the killer, then Kelly was killed before or about 1:00, and he spends the next 1-2 hours slicing her up....
I would have thought you could see the possibility of her being dead by 2:30.

[Wickerman]

Jon,
Suppose you surprise me.Which one did you select.Perhaps my source was not from a newspaper.

Ok Harry, but I thought I already made that clear. You brought up Abberline, Lewis only spoke to Abberline once, in her police statement. Which I quoted to you in it's entirety.
My second quote was from the inquest record, not a newspaper.

Why does this time really matter?
We cannot pin Hutchinson's timing down to the minute anywhere in Dorset street, and without that there is no argument.

[Michael W Richards]

Very well then.

Since this poll garnered a grand total of 9 votes before devolving into a generic Kelly-thong (Oops I mean Kelly-thon) I will shortly begin a new poll with ten brand new suspects for you to select the man you think George Hutchinson saw. As was the original purpose.

Your ob serv,

Roy

Please include "no-one' if you are going to re-start the thread, I personally do not believe George was there at all that night.

[Cogidubnus]

I fear this whole Ripper episode is just one big jigsaw, where the missing pieces are just impossible to find and fit.

Hi Busy Beaver...I think there are so many pieces missing, most of us are struggling to keep the borders straight, and are quite content when any little piece fits reasonably well inside them...I don't think in reality, many of us are here looking for an elusive "Jack" as folk outside Ripper circles are apt to think...most of us are just hooked on the digging, or the organising of facts, or working out the logic, or just studying an interesting cast of people at a fascinating juncture in history...or more importantly remembering the hard lives of people essentially not so different to ourselves living in a society which isn't, in some respects, so very different to ours...

Sorry, I grow maudlin with age...

Dave

[Busy Beaver]

I fear this whole Ripper episode is just one big jigsaw, where the missing pieces are just impossible to find and fit.

[Cogidubnus]

Presumably Mr Astrakhan was Huggy Bear.

More like a Cheshire Cat I'd say...or perhaps it was Hutch who really invented Mr Carker's grin...

Dave

[Abby Normal]

well since "hutch's man" was supposed to be seen with Kelly, any discussion about Kelly, her movements and witnesses would be germaine wouldn't it?

and besides your poll dosnt include the obvious choices like none of the above, other or no one (many people believe that aman was fictional).

[Roy Corduroy]

Very well then.

Since this poll garnered a grand total of 9 votes before devolving into a generic Kelly-thong (Oops I mean Kelly-thon) I will shortly begin a new poll with ten brand new suspects for you to select the man you think George Hutchinson saw. As was the original purpose.

Your ob serv,

Roy