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  • Originally posted by Michael W Richards View Post

    So Elizabeth could hear courtyard sounds in the middle of the night and sounds from Marys room when she moved about in it, and Sarah could hear a voice "as if at her door" in the middle of the night, and Mary Ann heard people coming and going in that courtyard until near 6am, and both Elizabeth and Mary Ann were outdoors, Elizabeth in the passageway, when Marys lights go out and her room is quiet...yet none of them would, or could, hear, or see, Mary slip out? Sam....of course they could have, its just a matter of record that they didn't. Which of course means its possible she never did leave that room.

    And if Blotchy leaves late that morning, no-one is awake to hear that anyway. We are talking about witnesses that have established they heard sounds and were awake at the time.
    Michael.
    Prater was talking about standing on the stairs in the house, on the other side of Kelly's partition. She says she could have seen a light if there had been one, and heard her moving around if she was in.
    Prater was not talking about hearing Kelly from her own room at the front of the house,but from the stairwell, on her way up to her room.
    Regards, Jon S.

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    • Originally posted by Sam Flynn View Post
      ......... Prater was talking about what she might have heard through the partition as she ascended the stairs, not while she was all snuggled up with Diddles in her room... the front room over the shed, of course.
      Oops, sorry, you beat me to it.

      Regards, Jon S.

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      • How would W Edwards,registrar,have obtained details of Kelly's occupation? Personnel knowledge of the woman? Unlikely,so the information on the death certificate is hearsay.The registrar was given that information.

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        • Originally posted by Wickerman View Post

          Michael.
          Prater was talking about standing on the stairs in the house, on the other side of Kelly's partition. She says she could have seen a light if there had been one, and heard her moving around if she was in.
          Prater was not talking about hearing Kelly from her own room at the front of the house,but from the stairwell, on her way up to her room.
          Hi Jon,

          "The noise appeared to come from a room under her own." That is from the East London Advertiser on the 17th. I realize that she indicated at the Inquest she would have heard through that partition wall, but other quotes from papers indicate she could hear when Mary "moved about", the sounds coming from "below her own room". Im not trying to open the was she over Marys room or was she over the shed at the front of the house discussions again, but in truth it may be relevant in connection with the question.
          Michael Richards

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          • Originally posted by Michael W Richards View Post
            "The noise appeared to come from a room under her own."
            That East London Advertiser article is a paraphrased, third-person précis, and nearly every other report I've seen (many in the first-person) has her saying that the cry seemed to come from the court.
            Kind regards, Sam Flynn

            "Suche Nullen" (Nietzsche, Götzendämmerung, 1888)

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            • Originally posted by Michael W Richards View Post

              Hi Jon,

              "The noise appeared to come from a room under her own." That is from the East London Advertiser on the 17th. I realize that she indicated at the Inquest she would have heard through that partition wall, but other quotes from papers indicate she could hear when Mary "moved about", the sounds coming from "below her own room". Im not trying to open the was she over Marys room or was she over the shed at the front of the house discussions again, but in truth it may be relevant in connection with the question.
              Yes, the noise that woke her up, agreed.
              I thought you were talking about any noises she could have heard from the stairwell, on her way up to her room.
              Regards, Jon S.

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