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Originally posted by FishermanIf the mark on Mary Kellys leg is more of the same, then the same question applies: why put a tourniquet on a lower leg...?
Can anybody come up with any sort of plausible explanation for it? As of now, I canīt.
("Pop Socks")Kind regards, Sam Flynn
"Suche Nullen" (Nietzsche, Götzendämmerung, 1888)
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Originally posted by Sam Flynn View Post
It's almost certainly a lace/garter designed to hold up a stocking, something like what used to be called (in Britain) a "pop sock", whose tops usually terminate just below the knee. Whilst the leg beneath the lace/garter is indented very slightly, it's not indented anywhere near to the extent that it would have been by a tourniquet.
("Pop Socks")
There is also the fact that what would be torn strands of fabric if it IS a garter are pointing UPWARDS to the knee - while a garter is taken on from the foot and up, and so any torn strands of the fabric should reasonably point DOWNWARDS.
At any rate, I would be grateful if you did not resort to that "almost certainly" thing again. "The torso killer almost certainly lived in Battersea" and so on. It is a tad disingenuous. To be an "almost certain" lace/garter, it would require a stocking held up by it and preferably a counterpart on the other leg. In such a case, I would have agreed, but as it stands, it has to be a very open issue.Last edited by Fisherman; 10-16-2019, 10:06 AM.
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Originally posted by Kattrup View PostInteresting that the string could be preparation for amputation in a manner similar to the arm.
If indeed it is a string. Certainly looks like it to me, but one has to wonder why no one mentioned it at all.
In case people want a very clear view of the mark/garter/ligature/lace, hereīs Richards eminent photo enhancement of the Kelly scene:
Last edited by Fisherman; 10-16-2019, 09:54 AM.
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If it is something tied round her leg, it's not uniformly tight. There appears to be most indentation in the skin at the front on the bony shin area, and none at all at the back in the softer calf area. Which is the opposite to the way a garter or tourniquet would work. Strange.
The only thing I can think of is that the string (or whatever) is tying her leg down to the bed?
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Originally posted by Darryl Kenyon View PostWhy would somebody go to the bother of tying a tourniquet round the leg and then take it back off without actually using it for any discernible purpose?
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Originally posted by Joshua Rogan View PostThere appears to be most indentation in the skin at the front on the bony shin area, and none at all at the back in the softer calf area.
Whatever it was, it's not a tourniquet. For one thing, it's perfectly placed to encircle the leg just at the point where you'd expect a "pop sock" would need holding up, i.e. just below the knee joint. For another, I see no reason at all why a mutilator would (a) want to apply a tourniquet in the first place; and (b) if he did - for some bizarre reason - why he should put it there.
Re (a), there was blood absolutely everywhere, so applying a tourniquet to the leg would have been utterly pointless.Kind regards, Sam Flynn
"Suche Nullen" (Nietzsche, Götzendämmerung, 1888)
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Originally posted by Joshua Rogan View PostIf it is something tied round her leg, it's not uniformly tight. There appears to be most indentation in the skin at the front on the bony shin area, and none at all at the back in the softer calf area. Which is the opposite to the way a garter or tourniquet would work. Strange.
The only thing I can think of is that the string (or whatever) is tying her leg down to the bed?
and figure 2 in this link:
... and you may see what I am talking about. These marks were probably made by thicker rope than the kind of string that seems more consistent with the circle around Marys leg, since they depict hanging ligature marks, but overall, they are not very far from what we see in the Kelly pic.
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Originally posted by Sam Flynn View Post
Perhaps because the skin and subcutaneous fat is thinner at the front, thus easier to indent than the calf. The calf is muscular and its skin is more elastic, both of which would offer slightly more resistance to a comparatively loosely tied "garter".
Whatever it was, it's not a tourniquet. For one thing, it's perfectly placed to encircle the leg just at the point where you'd expect a "pop sock" would need holding up, i.e. just below the knee joint. For another, I see no reason at all why a mutilator would (a) want to apply a tourniquet in the first place; and (b) if he did - for some bizarre reason - why he should put it there.
Re (a), there was blood absolutely everywhere, so applying a tourniquet to the leg would have been utterly pointless.Last edited by Fisherman; 10-16-2019, 11:21 AM.
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it almost looks like its the bottom section of something like bloomers? because it also looks like fabric above it.
i have no clue what it is or why its there. i had always just assumed it was a garter or something."Is all that we see or seem
but a dream within a dream?"
-Edgar Allan Poe
"...the man and the peaked cap he is said to have worn
quite tallies with the descriptions I got of him."
-Frederick G. Abberline
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Originally posted by Fisherman View Post
Why would anybody carve out the organs from a body and place them around the eviscerated body in a bed? Because it seems rational to us or because it seems rational enough to the killer?
Last edited by Darryl Kenyon; 10-16-2019, 12:13 PM.
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Originally posted by Darryl Kenyon View Post
Because that was part of what he wanted to do, to kill and try and dehumanise his victims. Whoever the ripper was and whatever psychological make up compulsed him to act that way one thing i don't think he had was a fetish for tying knots on his victims.
(For the rest of us, who do not ascribe to Darryls pessimism, it of course applies that there is something that looks like a ligature mark on that leg, plus we know that there is another series of murders at the same time with many similarities enough to make the assumption of a common killer - and in THAT series, the killer DID enjoy "tying knots on his victims"...)
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