JtR failed amputation. Torso killer was successful.

[Batman]

I understand that.

Your methodology and terminology is the problem.

Not only did several people understand precisely what I was saying, but one of them was so taken aback by it as to call it all brainless and claims to refuse to want to speak to me about the topic again.

It is clear to everyone else I am afraid.

Anyway since you have chimed in, what say you to the OP?

Seems you are indicating you agree with it?

[DJA]

I understand that.

Your methodology and terminology is the problem.

[Batman]

Understandable. Sam is Welsh.

Like you posted,Bond knew JtR and Torsoman were different people.

"Either", as in, both your recent posts.

DJA, reread what I wrote again. It should be obvious then that I am implying this very thing. JtR can't do what Torsoman could do. It's as simple as that.

[DJA]

I have been unable to follow either of your posts. Can you please explain exactly what you mean?

Understandable. Sam is Welsh.

Like you posted,Bond knew JtR and Torsoman were different people.

[Batman]

I agree. Whilst one might argue that time constraints might have affected the manifestation of any skill/experience in most of the murders (not that I subscribe to that view), the same can't be said of Kelly where, even with more privacy and time at his disposal, the killer was just as messy and chaotic in his approach as he'd been with Nichols et seq.

Which I would think is one of the reasons why Dr. Bond who had experience with both Torsoman and JtR understood he wasn't looking at the same offender.

[Batman]

You really have no idea.

Honestly.

Reckon you are talking about two different people.

I have been unable to follow either of your posts. Can you please explain exactly what you mean?

[DJA]

There are many types of amputations. For example, partial amputations. As we have said, we don't need to use the term amputation to make the general point of attempts that failed with JtR's inflicted injuries.

Whatever way one tries to look at this, you have the attempted removal of some body parts with indications of failure to do, usually in the case of JtR, because the knife has struck bone rather than between the joints.

Even then a surgeon understands that if they meet bone and wish to get through bone, to use another instrument and method altogether. Yet JtR made the attempt in several ways with several body parts, sometimes with success and other times without.

We can rule out time factors because of Kelly, where he was uninterrupted. Eddowes was a time constraint and yet it is apparent some of that time has been spent making mistakes.

In this case, the coincidences of the knife on bone strikes across multiple victims, often in the neck area, as a result of overkill, shows he went further than he needed to go and that further was brought to a halt by bone barriers. Something Torsoman would have been aware of.

Not to mention how many cuts are jagged from neck to groin, again showing he really doesn't clearly have that much experience except if we consider he only learned as he went along with the C5.

Our learned Torsoman as JtR has blanked out on what he should know. There is way too much feeling around and attempting this and that to show he isn't working from past recollections as Torsoman. It is like that knowledge has been erased.

You really have no idea.

Honestly.

Reckon you are talking about two different people.

[Sam Flynn]

Our learned Torsoman as JtR has blanked out on what he should know. There is way too much feeling around and attempting this and that to show he isn't working from past recollections as Torsoman. It is like that knowledge has been erased.

I agree. Whilst one might argue that time constraints might have affected the manifestation of any skill/experience in most of the murders (not that I subscribe to that view), the same can't be said of Kelly where, even with more privacy and time at his disposal, the killer was just as messy and chaotic in his approach as he'd been with Nichols et seq.

[DJA]

No. Just want to stay on topic.

I have done so.

More than you can lay claim to.

[Batman]

The deliberate, surgical removal of a nose or an ear might be classified as amputation - especially in articles translated from the Italian (L’amputazione del naso nella storia) - but we normally think of amputation as involving the removal of limbs, and it's defined as such in many dictionaries.

Lopping off the nose, or part thereof, as in the cases of Eddowes or Kelly, hardly constitutes amputation in the usual sense of the word. We might say that the torso victims had their heads amputated, but more usually we'd describe that as "decapitation".

To classify earlobe/nose-lopping or breast removal in the same category as cutting off an entire arm or leg is a big stretch, and not very helpful.

There are many types of amputations. For example, partial amputations. As we have said, we don't need to use the term amputation to make the general point of attempts that failed with JtR's inflicted injuries.

Whatever way one tries to look at this, you have the attempted removal of some body parts with indications of failure to do, usually in the case of JtR, because the knife has struck bone rather than between the joints.

Even then a surgeon understands that if they meet bone and wish to get through bone, to use another instrument and method altogether. Yet JtR made the attempt in several ways with several body parts, sometimes with success and other times without.

We can rule out time factors because of Kelly, where he was uninterrupted. Eddowes was a time constraint and yet it is apparent some of that time has been spent making mistakes.

In this case, the coincidences of the knife on bone strikes across multiple victims, often in the neck area, as a result of overkill, shows he went further than he needed to go and that further was brought to a halt by bone barriers. Something Torsoman would have been aware of.

Not to mention how many cuts are jagged from neck to groin, again showing he really doesn't clearly have that much experience except if we consider he only learned as he went along with the C5.

Our learned Torsoman as JtR has blanked out on what he should know. There is way too much feeling around and attempting this and that to show he isn't working from past recollections as Torsoman. It is like that knowledge has been erased.

[Sam Flynn]

Usual selective reply.

No. Just want to stay on topic.

[DJA]

Usual selective reply.

Just ignore the facts.

[Sam Flynn]

Am suggesting that he treated Nichols and Eddowes for rheumatic fever from December 1867 at the London Hospital.

We've been through that before, Dave, but let's not start again here!

[DJA]

I hope you're not suggesting that Jack the Ripper was a bacterium

Am suggesting that he treated Nichols and Eddowes for rheumatic fever from December 1867 at the London Hospital.

Ever wonder why Nichols moved next door to Eddowes soon after moving into the rookery?

Ever wonder why Eddowes returned seeking a reward?

Oh crikey! You don't think these women knew each other

Once all the facts are looked at,one finds they mesh together nicely.

[Sam Flynn]

Strep pyogenes enters the nose,infects the sinuses,makes their home in the intestines, infects the heart and eventually,the kidneys.

I hope you're not suggesting that Jack the Ripper was a bacterium