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  • Fisherman
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    The point I am trying to make is perhaps best illustrated by saying that when three uteri are excised from the Ripper´s victims, we tend to go: "FETISCH!"

    ... but when three kidneys are excised from these victims, we have nothing to say about it.

    Surely, three kidneys cannot make for a fetisch...?

    Simple answers were always the more tempting ones.
    Last edited by Fisherman; 12-15-2018, 02:08 AM.

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  • Fisherman
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    Originally posted by Michael W Richards View Post
    There is sufficient evidence, both physical and circumstantial, to conclude that it is almost certain that in the backyard that night on Hanbury, a killer sought to obtain specifically the uterus.

    The fact that 2 murders later that same organ is, at least in part, taken from the scene also might well be the red flag on the killers fetish.

    I believe the Nichols case could also be linked in the same fashion, there is evidence that the state of the victim when found indicated that she had been mutilated very recently, he may well have stopped further indignities. The Victimology, Methodology, and Situational elements in the Nichols and Chapman murders are almost identical, and if that killer sought a uterus specifically, there is every reason to wonder whether Pollys murder was abbreviated prematurely.
    I have no problem realizing that three carved-out uteri must signify something - whatever that is. Furthermore, since I am of the meaning that the Ripper and the Torso killer was the same man, we have a fourth carved out uterus in Jackson.
    But! If this was the "fetisch" of the killer, then why would he carve out Eddowes´ kidney? And Kellys kidneys, liver, heart and spleen? Why would he cut a section of Eddowes´colon and place it neatly stretched out alongside the body? Why would he cut the faces on occasion? Why cut the flesh from a thigh?
    How does that relate to his "fetisch" thinking?

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  • Michael W Richards
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    There is sufficient evidence, both physical and circumstantial, to conclude that it is almost certain that in the backyard that night on Hanbury, a killer sought to obtain specifically the uterus.

    The fact that 2 murders later that same organ is, at least in part, taken from the scene also might well be the red flag on the killers fetish.

    I believe the Nichols case could also be linked in the same fashion, there is evidence that the state of the victim when found indicated that she had been mutilated very recently, he may well have stopped further indignities. The Victimology, Methodology, and Situational elements in the Nichols and Chapman murders are almost identical, and if that killer sought a uterus specifically, there is every reason to wonder whether Pollys murder was abbreviated prematurely.

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  • Fisherman
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    Originally posted by Trevor Marriott View Post
    Thats what I and others keep saying when you keep banging on about Cross being the Ripper, and responsible for the Torsos

    www.trevormarriott.co.uk
    Oh, alright. I was kind of more referring to the idea that a killer who had already taken out a uterus would have had his fill in that field. Any responsible God would not allow for such a thing to be published on any site.

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  • Jon Guy
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    Originally posted by Trevor Marriott View Post
    Its not as thick, as you and some of the other posters on here !
    Boom boom !!

    But for those with more than one brain cell its a terrific read !
    Is this on the on the back cover ;-)

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  • Trevor Marriott
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    Originally posted by Fisherman View Post
    Please, dear God - I don't deserve this!! None of us do.
    Thats what I and others keep saying when you keep banging on about Cross being the Ripper, and responsible for the Torsos

    www.trevormarriott.co.uk

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  • Fisherman
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    Originally posted by Trevor Marriott View Post

    Why take another uterus when you already have one if you are the killer?
    www.trevormarriott.co.uk
    Please, dear God - I don't deserve this!! None of us do.

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  • Batman
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    Originally posted by Trevor Marriott View Post
    A strange question to ask on this thread.

    Based on my research, I am not able to give a definitive answer

    There is plenty of evidence in the public domain to support those who say it was a hoax, and those who say it was not.

    www.trevormarriott.co.uk
    Thanks for your reply.

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  • Trevor Marriott
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    Originally posted by Batman View Post
    Hey Trevor, a quick question about your literary research and publications.

    Do you believe the Apollo moon landing of 1969 is a hoax? I know it's off-topic but if you would oblige, thanks.
    A strange question to ask on this thread.

    Based on my research, I am not able to give a definitive answer

    There is plenty of evidence in the public domain to support those who say it was a hoax, and those who say it was not.

    www.trevormarriott.co.uk

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  • Batman
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    Hey Trevor, a quick question about your literary research and publications.

    Do you believe the Apollo moon landing of 1969 is a hoax? I know it's off-topic but if you would oblige, thanks.

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  • Trevor Marriott
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    Originally posted by Jon Guy View Post
    Hi Trev

    How thick is your book please ?
    It might be just what I need to prop up my old coffee table
    Its not as thick, as you and some of the other posters on here !

    But of course to read it you would have to have a full understanding of how to interpret facts and evidence. So perhaps it is not a good idea for you and some other on here to buy it.

    But for those with more than one brain cell its a terrific read !

    https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/...0HFZSF9TCFXDG4

    www.trevormarriott.co.uk

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  • Sam Flynn
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    Originally posted by Trevor Marriott View Post
    Why take another uterus when you already have one if you are the killer?
    Why kill another person if you've killed one already?

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  • Sam Flynn
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    Originally posted by Trevor Marriott View Post
    Conversely why didnt the killer do all that you quote ?

    Why not take organs from any of the other victims, if you are the killer?
    When pressed for time, and in a public place, the chances of doing a more thorough job of organ-removal are somewhat less than optimal. Much less optimal than when one is left alone for a considerable time in an East End mortuary, for instance.

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  • Jon Guy
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    Originally posted by Trevor Marriott View Post
    Thats it run away from the truth !

    As Jack Nicholson said in the film A few good men, "The truth, you cant handle the truth" never more true words spoken

    www.trevormarriott.co.uk
    Hi Trev

    How thick is your book please ?
    It might be just what I need to prop up my old coffee table

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  • Trevor Marriott
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    Originally posted by Sam Flynn View Post
    Precisely. And why not take (both) kidneys from the other victims, too, if he had time and privacy on his side? Why not do a better, more consistent, job on the uteri and bladders?
    Conversely why didnt the killer do all that you quote ?

    Why take another uterus when you already have one if you are the killer?

    Why not take organs from any of the other victims, if you are the killer?

    Two different mortuaries,
    two different methods of extraction of the uterus from both victims
    two different persons responsible?
    Both victims left for some considerable time before post mortems carried out
    Bona fide medical persons would have access to the mortuaries for the purpose of lawfully obtaining organs for medical researche/teaching.

    You really need to take a step back and look at the full picture, especially with regards to Eddowes and Mitre Square, there lies the evidence to prove my case.

    www.trevormarriott.co.uk

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