JtR failed amputation. Torso killer was successful.

[John Wheat]

In Dr Hebbert's lecture on Criminology, he compares the torso killings with those of the Ripper, and concludes that they had different perpetrators with different motives.
In the case of Kelly he states that "there was nothing to suggest any knowledge of anatomy or surgical skill. In fact the killer had evidently attempted to remove the heart by cutting the ribs, and, failing to do this, he had dragged it down through the midriff".

I think Hebbert made some likely remarks.

[Joshua Rogan]

In Dr Hebbert's lecture on Criminology, he compares the torso killings with those of the Ripper, and concludes that they had different perpetrators with different motives.
In the case of Kelly he states that "there was nothing to suggest any knowledge of anatomy or surgical skill. In fact the killer had evidently attempted to remove the heart by cutting the ribs, and, failing to do this, he had dragged it down through the midriff".

[Fisherman]

Not many people say that. But they do say that Nichols' throat was cut first, which it most certainly was.

Do you need me to explain the difference between a neck and a throat? Again?

[Batman]

What this tells us is that if the bodies were lifted up, the head would have been dangling, nearing a falling off, at a 90 degree without them also being supported.

I think the chin bruising seen in many of his victims is a combination of the blitz attack and probably what Philips also saw in the attempted separation of the neck muscles, with JtR pushing their chins back to open up the wound through the heads own weight coupled with force.

JtR must have had some strength in him.

[Sam Flynn]

A horrific injury nevertheless, and - I think - a useful insight for those who say that Nichols had her neck cut before her abdomen was cut.

Not many people say that. But they do say that Nichols' throat was cut first, which it most certainly was.

[Fisherman]

No, but I visited it again to have a look. That's a near decapitation. Her nose looks in better condition but could be the photo.

I know there is some controversy over the photo but obviously, it's Eddowes. Ear sliced and all.

Actually, it is less of a near decapitation than what Nichols, Chapman and Kelly suffered. A horrific injury nevertheless, and - I think - a useful insight for those who say that Nichols had her neck cut before her abdomen was cut. If the neck was indeed cut first, then this (or worse) is the kind of wound from which the blood escaped, suggestedly forming only a small pool under her neck, whereas al the rest was taken up by the garments she wore.

[Batman]

Have you only just seen that photo?

No, but I visited it again to have a look. That's a near decapitation. Her nose looks in better condition but could be the photo.

I know there is some controversy over the photo but obviously, it's Eddowes. Ear sliced and all.

[MrBarnett]

Eddowes head was nearly taken off. Warning graphic.

Also, he didn't manage to take off her whole nose. He hit bone at her bridge. Examiner even notes the nasal bone was hit. He tried to cut from the nasals themselves where the wings meet the face. In the end, he could only remove the tip.

Her nose looks in a bit better condition in that photo than I expected.

Have you only just seen that photo?

[DJA]

I don't have a suspect dog in this race like you do.

These are not my ideas if someone else published them.

Anyway you are trying to save your views on another thread and completely ignored the medical facts pointing to organ mutilation which contradicts your view they were medical experiments!

This thread is about JtRs failed attempts, MO and signature. Which you haven't addressed at all.

I do not hold a view that any of the CV5 murders were medical experiments.
Never have.
I believe JtR was being blackmailed by 4 of his patients who in turn were being manipulated by Mary Kelly out of revenge.
Chapman's head and Eddowes' kidney would have been of particular interest to him in regards to research,however that was not motivation for the murders.

That,to me,defines his MO and signature.
I have actually worked with a Criminologist.

I do agree that JtR attempted to take Chapman's head off.

Chapman was not found murdered in Buck's Row.
She did not reside at 18 Thrawl Street.

Once you realise how flawed that is,you might start to consult reliable sources.

Those four experts would fail a year 6 exam on that effort.

All the best,

Dave.

[Batman]

Eddowes head was nearly taken off. Warning graphic.

Also, he didn't manage to take off her whole nose. He hit bone at her bridge. Examiner even notes the nasal bone was hit. He tried to cut from the nasals themselves where the wings meet the face. In the end, he could only remove the tip.

Her nose looks in a bit better condition in that photo than I expected.

[Batman]

For God's sake read the thing.

Then read the real inquest material.

No wonder you have no idea what you are talking about when you use drivel like this as foundation for your ideas.

I don't have a suspect dog in this race like you do.

These are not my ideas if someone else published them.

Anyway you are trying to save your views on another thread and completely ignored the medical facts pointing to organ mutilation which contradicts your view they were medical experiments!

This thread is about JtRs failed attempts, MO and signature. Which you haven't addressed at all.

[DJA]

For God's sake read the thing.

Then read the real inquest material.

No wonder you have no idea what you are talking about when you use drivel like this as foundation for your ideas.

[Batman]

Details of Annie Chapman case.

Paragraphs 1 and 5.

As previously mentioned.

The article covers Nichols before Chapman. For Chapman all the details are there.

The paper says it's only using police reports and inquest material. So maybe there was a historical confusion they are referencing.

[DJA]

Quote the part.

It tells you who peer reviewed it.

Now's your big chance to publish your rebuttal if it's wrong.

Details of Annie Chapman case.

Paragraphs 1 and 5.

As previously mentioned.

[Batman]

Wow.

That is some of the most pathetic junk that I have read.

My jaw just dropped at the "information" on Chapman.

They have confused the Nichols discovery with the Chapman case and then further inject the Nichols story as Chapman's.

Buggered if I know how Keppell got his PhD,if that is his level of research.

Mind numbing drivel.

Peer reviewed,by who?

Quote the part.

It tells you who peer reviewed it.

Now's your big chance to publish your rebuttal if it's wrong.