Ripper Victim?

[Jeff Leahy]

Far from it. He was a throat-cutter, belly-slasher and eviscerator. No big deal, apart from the awfulness of it all.Because, in cutting someone's throat, you are - in actual fact - cutting a piece of meat.

I'm sorry Sam but the last time I cut a peice of meat it didnt spray blood everywhere, which is precisely what happened when Jack attacked Martha.

In fact my whole sunday lunch put up very little resistance indeed

The mechanics are precisely the same, and there's no "learning curve" necessary. Physically similar, psychologically different. When it comes to stabbing versus cutting - different on both counts.

No. Slashing is simply an extension of Stabbing. They are the same thing. The knife must firstly be pushed in (stab) then pulled (slash).

P

[perrymason]

No. Slashing is simply an extension of Stabbing. They are the same thing. The knife must firstly be pushed in (stab) then pulled (slash).

P

Your no more opinionated than I am at times PJ, but the above is a load of crap. Stabbing is an external act. Tell me slicing while holding wet warm organs is just an extension of that same act.

Slashing is a glancing blow using a blade, stabbing can be far more akin to bludgeoning than it is slicing, as it can be done with bent arm blows downward, or shoved forward like a mini-lance.... but cutting, slashing, carving, slitting, shaving, .....they are hands on acts.

You know why people prefer guns now? Impersonal. You dont even have to touch the victim to kill them. Those guys stab too.

Cheers PJ

[Nothing to see]

Does anyone agree with me that Tabram was not one of Jack's?

[perrymason]

Does anyone agree with me that Tabram was not one of Jack's?

Without reservation NTS.

Best regards

[Sam Flynn]

No. Slashing is simply an extension of Stabbing. They are the same thing. The knife must firstly be pushed in (stab) then pulled (slash).

Stab - punch blade in, then yank it quickly out of the wound (sound effect: "B'dum-Chuh!")

Rip - push blade in, then draw it down - or across - the flesh (sound effect: "Fthupp-tchhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhlllllllll...!")

[Nothing to see]

Without reservation NTS.

Best regards

Thanks. I was beginning to believe I was the only person. Gets a bit lonely at times. Backup is appreciated. Especially backup with knowledge.

[perrymason]

Thanks. I was beginning to believe I was the only person. Gets a bit lonely at times. Backup is appreciated. Especially backup with knowledge.

Id of thought Id been clear I was with you on this point by now my friend....and on the last bit, I like to think of myself as informed on the murder investigations themselves, but there are tons of people here who have more real knowledge about the cases, times, killers in general and psychological maladies than I do.

Just so you know that having me agree with you isnt a stamp of anything like ultimate credibility..

I get lucky sometimes though.

Cheers NTS

[Jeff Leahy]

Stab - punch blade in, then yank it quickly out of the wound (sound effect: "B'dum-Chuh!")

Rip - push blade in, then draw it down - or across - the flesh (sound effect: "Fthupp-tchhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhlllllllll...!")

We aint gonna agree on this Sam..however I do have a job going for a foli artist and will be in contact in due course.

Pirate

PS i have just bought a Apple Pro quad! so i've got a bigger one than you

[Mascara & Paranoia]

I'm with you two. There's nothing to indicate that Tabram was Jack's handiwork. The only way I can logically see her as one of his victims is if she was his way of plucking up the courage to kill a person before he did his actual thing.

[Jeff Leahy]

Has anyone ever done a pole..might be interesting.

Pirate

Although i think we should ban scandinavians taking part.

[Tom_Wescott]

A couple of years ago I took a seriously close look at Polly Nichols' murder. I had never read a discursive essay on her murder, so I figured I'd write one. It was published in Ripper Notes and can be found on the dissertations page here. Because hers was the murder immediately following Tabram I figured if they were by the same hand, we should see an indicator there. There really weren't any. The temperment of the two killers was in stark contrast. However, I still consider it possible that the Tabram murder was related to the Ripper crimes. It makes sense with certain suspects (or personalities) but not with others.

Yours truly,

Tom Wescott

[Roy Corduroy]

Does anyone agree with me that Tabram was not one of Jack's?

My opinion is 50/50. There is all indication a soldier got away with murder. But I don't rule out JtR, and see several connections to the series.

James Kelly could have killed her, using an upholstery tool for the fatal heart wound.

Roy

[Sam Flynn]

PS i have just bought a Apple Pro quad! so i've got a bigger one than you

Ah, well... you need the extra power for your video editing, Jeff. Me - I just write gibberish, for which an "aloominum" iMac24 just about passes muster

[Nicola]

Hello,all.


I believe he started with Tabram. Though there are major differences between her murder and Nichols,but who knows how a nut's mind will change? I firmly believe that he tried before Tabram and that either he failed or those women managed to fight him off. Thus,rage that was already strong becomes almost rabid. Once he finally got ahold of a victim,he could have been,excuse me for being morbid,so excited that he went slash happy. Once he had got it out of his system,his true fantasy came into play.Which is what happens with Nichols and escalates through the later victims.

JTR obviously was cuckoo for cocoa puffs,so to try and assign a set way of doing things to someone whose mind is inconceivable to begin with,is kind of hard for me. Though I do enjoy reading the posts of people who try to figure JTR out.

I look at the location,type of victim,time of morning,weekend murder,and the way Martha was left,no attempt to hide the body and in a public place. These factors are almost identical to later victims.

But as I've been reading on this board,there were many,many types of loons running amok in WhiteChapel around the same time. It makes me wonder whether there was something in the London air or water. While I believe Martha was a Ripper Victim,I can see why others disagree.

[Jon Guy]

You might think such a defined line means he woke up Aug 30th, and, like a human transformer became suddenly capable of and and interested in slitting throats only after they are on the ground, and likely before any cuts, or stabs, are made...and also of removing abdominal organs intact within 10 days.

Hi Michael

Well, in those ten days he went from two small stab wounds in the privates to cutting the thing out and taking it home with him ?