Johnto - an idea

[lynn cates]

such a cut up

Hello Colin. Nice work.

Send me the image and I'll try some surgery?

Cheers.
LC

[richardnunweek]

Hi,
I am getting the impression that sooner, rather then later, we will progress in the hunt for the real identity of Mary Kelly.
The answer clearly lies with identifying her brother, which may not have been hidden all along, maybe..just maybe, the Royal Scot's holds the answer,
There are drawbacks , was it not Barnett that pinpointed the 'Scot's guards' to the police, and there were traced to Cardiff?
That would suggest that initially at least, they started their trace via them.so unless that resulted in a blank, and they switched to the Royal Scots , we still may be on the wrong track.
The whole episode is frustrating, clearly her brother was traced, and contact to the family was initially via him.
I have the distinct impression that deep shame was present amongst her family, and family honour overshadowed sorrow.
Regards Richard.

[lynn cates]

All in the family.

Hello Richard.

"clearly her brother was traced, and contact to the family was initially via him."

Clearly?

"I have the distinct impression that deep shame was present amongst her family, and family honour overshadowed sorrow."

Surely a family quite different from all the others, like Nichol's and Eddowes's?

Cheers.
LC

[Phil H]

Could fear have played a part too?

Without wanting to introduce the whole Fenian sidetrack, but as an example.

Say the "Kelly's" were a catholic family and Mary had been a police informer, might they have feared for their lives if their identity had become known. revenge killings are hardly uncommon in such circles. and if a brother were in HM forces....

Phil

[Cogidubnus]

Does anyone think there is a possibility that 'Johnto' might not have been in the Scots Guards but in the Royal Scots?

I only ask because I've found a James Henry Kelly who enlisted in April 1886, aged 18 years and 1 month and so was presumably born in March 1868. He was born in the County of Tipperary, Parish of St Bridgets. I can't read the town. Looks as though it begins with L & ends with K. I guess it's not Limerick. Looks like Lanerlack or something similar. When I've got a bit more time I'll see if I can post the image (if someone can tell me how to reduce the size to below the Casebook limit please).

Wow Colin

Unless there's been a spate of activity behind the scenes I'm amazed how little reaction there's been - it sounds like a really interesting possibility...well found mate!

All the best

Dave

[Bridewell]

James Henry Kelly

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The town name looks more and more like Limerick to me - just can't understand why the county would be Tipperary if that was the case.

[Bridewell]

Same man in the 1911 census - confirms place of birth as Limerick in Tipperary.

[richardnunweek]

Hi Bridewell.
Fascinating the search may well be over, we could have the brother of Mary Kelly, coincidently it looks like his wife's middle name is Mary[ Constance Mary Kelly].
Well researched.
Regards Richard.

[Bridewell]

James Kelly



Not the same fellow obviously but a soldier named Kelly and born in Limerick. (Apologies if this has been posted before)

[Bridewell]

Hi Bridewell.
Fascinating the search may well be over, we could have the brother of Mary Kelly, coincidently it looks like his wife's middle name is Mary[ Constance Mary Kelly].
Well researched.
Regards Richard.

Hi Richard,

I'd like to think so, but I'm not so sure. In the 1881 census there's a James Henry Kelly of approximately the same age (11) born Ireland, but his sister, although called Mary, is Mary Isabella and only 13, so she'd only have been (at most) 21 in November 1888 - and the family (assuming it's the same James Henry) were living in Renfrewshire. I'll keep looking!

[lynn cates]

nice

Hello Colin. Nice work!

Thanks for posting.

Cheers.
LC

[Wickerman]

I can't locate a town named Limerick in Tipperary, though the Service Record asks, "in or near the town of......" So if the word is Limerick, that just might be the nearest large city, but Limerick City is in County Limerick, just west of the Tipperary border.

That is a great find Colin, thanks for sharing. Only five more siblings to go

[Bridewell]

I can't locate a town named Limerick in Tipperary, though the Service Record asks, "in or near the town of......" So if the word is Limerick, that just might be the nearest large city, but Limerick City is in County Limerick, just west of the Tipperary border.

That is a great find Colin, thanks for sharing. Only five more siblings to go

So no pressure then, Jon!

[Wickerman]

Colin.
In the Service Record, are you able to read the name in line 2. "in the Parish of"?

[Cogidubnus]

So he's gone from a Tinsmith/Gas Fitter via the army to a Chemist's Porter - doesn't sound like a promotion to me! Nonetheless I'd love to be able to read that attestation properly...

All the best

Dave