Johnto - an idea

[miss marple]

The clue to finding the birth of James Henry Kelly [ 1911 census] is through his marriage certificate, which will have his father's name and witnesses who could be family members.

James Henry Kelly married Constance Mary Carruthers in June 1896 in West Derby. 8b 621

He seems a year or two younger than the soldier but that is not important. Birth place seems to fit.

Miss Marple

[lynn cates]

John

Hello Chris. Thanks for posting that.

I suppose I must have a go at subsequent censuses for follow up. Interesting if John is John Henry.

Cheers.
LC

[Cogidubnus]

No long string of brothers yet then...though there's time...

All the best

Dave

[Chris Scott]

The full family listing...
1861 Wales census

Merchant Street, Gelligaer, Glamorgan
Head: John Kelly aged 45 - Fireman
Wife: Hariotte (sic) Kelly aged 44
Children:
Maria aged 8
John aged 6
Hariotte aged 3
Elizabeth aged 1
All listed as born in Ireland

[Cogidubnus]

OK Chris...so now tell us the rest!

All the best

Dave

[lynn cates]

siblings

Hello Chris. Any important information about siblings?

Cheers.
LC

[Chris Scott]

In the 1861 census for Wales there is only one girl of similar name born in Ireland and having a father named John Kelly.
She is listed as Maria Kelly and in that year was 8 years old, so at the time of the Millers Court murder would have been 35 years old.
Her father was listed as a fireman and the family lived in Gelligaer, Glamorgan.

[C. F. Leon]

Hello Richard,

Yes, she does seem to be the original mystery woman! However, if I were to be right about her lying about her age, perhaps we should cast our nets a little wider?

Best wishes,
C4

I know that people, especially Chris Scott, have looked at the 1871 and 1881 censuses but if MJK WAS lying about her age (or JB honestly made a mistake either in hearing or in math) and she was a bit older than 25, has anyone checked the 1861 census?

[Bridewell]

Colin.
In the Service Record, are you able to read the name in line 2. "in the Parish of"?

Hi Jon,

Ancestry list it as "St Bridget's" which I think is probably right.

[Observer]

Hi Bridewell

Good find. Have you looked at similar Scottish regiments, the Royal Scots Fusiliers for example.

Regards

Observer

[lynn cates]

birth record

Hello Colin. Having a devil of a time finding his birth record. (Tried both Henry and James.) Limerick was a no go.

There are three James Kelly's in Tipperary born 1868. But they come up as Dublin North.

Have you located his birth record?

Cheers.
LC

[Cogidubnus]

So he's gone from a Tinsmith/Gas Fitter via the army to a Chemist's Porter - doesn't sound like a promotion to me! Nonetheless I'd love to be able to read that attestation properly...

All the best

Dave

[Wickerman]

Colin.
In the Service Record, are you able to read the name in line 2. "in the Parish of"?

[Bridewell]

I can't locate a town named Limerick in Tipperary, though the Service Record asks, "in or near the town of......" So if the word is Limerick, that just might be the nearest large city, but Limerick City is in County Limerick, just west of the Tipperary border.

That is a great find Colin, thanks for sharing. Only five more siblings to go

So no pressure then, Jon!

[Wickerman]

I can't locate a town named Limerick in Tipperary, though the Service Record asks, "in or near the town of......" So if the word is Limerick, that just might be the nearest large city, but Limerick City is in County Limerick, just west of the Tipperary border.

That is a great find Colin, thanks for sharing. Only five more siblings to go