Mary Jane was murdered between 09.00 and 10.30 am

[Abby Normal]

Hi Michael

I agree. I can think of no reasonable explanation for why the killer would burn items of clothing in the fire. But then we do not know that the killer burnt the items. I wonder whether someone else burnt the clothing earlier.

Hi eten
out of spite? to stoke the fire up so he can see his handiwork better?

[Elamarna]

Hi Steve,

My "theory" as you term it couldn't be more public.

It's openly available at Amazon.

https://www.amazon.com/Secret-Histor...s=books&sr=1-1

You seem to be attempting to be spared from the bother of buying it.

Regards,

Simon

Simon,

If you have actually stated what you think occurred in 1888, the reason for it, in short the answers to the two questions I posed, then fantastic.

However, having bought physical copies of each edition of the previous book and the Ebook, and having not seen those answers yet, I am awaiting people to tell me it gives the answers before I purchase it.

If indeed you have given answers to those questions, then it's rather surprising that such as not be discussed on any forum recently.

Time will tell.

Steve

[Simon Wood]

Hi Steve,

My "theory" as you term it couldn't be more public.

It's openly available at Amazon.

https://www.amazon.com/Secret-Histor...s=books&sr=1-1

You seem to be attempting to be spared from the bother of buying it.

Regards,

Simon

[Elamarna]

Hi Steve,

Exactly what I mean is laid out in granular detail in Secret History, together with the photographic evidence.

As one of the few who are already aware of what I believe happened in 1888, perhaps you would be good enough to let me in on it.

Regards,

Simon

Hi Simon,

I note, you say what you mean, rather than a fully explanation and theory.

It's an open secret that you believe no murder occurred in Miller's Court, and that there was not one individual who carried out all the murders in Whitechapel.

What you actually believe occurred in Whitechapel in 1888 is not so clear.

Why was it claimed there was a murder in Millers court?
Why the murders were tied together by the police.

These are issues that you have not really explained in the past, simply hinted at.

Some of us are indeed aware , but it's not our place to discuss a theory that you have not as yet made public.

If of course you do actually give the answer to those questions in your latest book, then Bravo, at last!
Maybe we can examine the evidence openly.

However, given that such a disclosure as not, as yet, been reported on any forum, I wonder if you have done .

All the best.

Steve

[Aethelwulf]

Simon, I suggest believes he knows information most are not aware of.
Of course those who do not accept his hints are viewed as having closed minds and of accepting the official spin, as he sees it

A few of us are aware of what he believes occurred in 1888.
One day, perhaps he will actually say exactly what that is, in detail.


Steve

Call me cynical Steve but I suspect he knows that if he outlines his theory it will be seen as nonsense and then no one will buy his book.

[Simon Wood]

Hi Steve,

Exactly what I mean is laid out in granular detail in Secret History, together with the photographic evidence.

As one of the few who are already aware of what I believe happened in 1888, perhaps you would be good enough to let me in on it.

Regards,

Simon

[Elamarna]

Simon, I suggest believes he knows information most are not aware of.
Of course those who do not accept his hints are viewed as having closed minds and of accepting the official spin, as he sees it

A few of us are aware of what he believes occurred in 1888.
One day, perhaps he will actually say exactly what that is, in detail.


Steve

[Aethelwulf]

As you wish. Stay in your comfort zone.

This smells decidely like the BS zone:

The Amazon description outlines official lies, invention, disinformation, and opportunism

What is your rationale for posting? You keep putting up clearly provocative messages like 'Mary Jane Kelly was not murdered in Room 13, Millers Court. All the witness statements, medical opinions and time of death estimates are balderdash'. When asked for further explanation, you don't. So what is your point?

[Aethelwulf]

As you wish. Stay in your comfort zone.

I'll take that as confirmation that it is indeed a load on conspiracy nonsense. People these days seem to like that sort of thing. You only need to look at Trump's followers and that buffoon Johnson. Sure it'll do really well!

[Simon Wood]

As you wish. Stay in your comfort zone.

[Aethelwulf]

Mary Jane Kelly was not murdered in Room 13, Millers Court. All the witness statements, medical opinions and time of death estimates are balderdash.

https://www.amazon.com/Secret-Histor...&sr=1-1

out with it then - what's your theory? If you say 'read the book', I've read the blurb and it sounds like conspiracy nonsense, so I ain't reading the book.

[Fleetwood Mac]

Maybe someone has already addressed this and I i missed it, but if we're going to be talking about when places that served food closed, then there's also the question of when they re-opened, given the premise of the thread and the time they re-opened was probably before 9:00.

You can be absolutely certain that where there is custom there is a business.

We know that people were back on the streets again after say 5.30am in good numbers. We know that Elizabeth Prater was looking for booze and men were harnessing horses outside. We know that the pubs opened again around that time.

We know that Victorian era sleeping patterns were different to ours. Our sleeping pattern of say 8 hours continuous sleep is a modern invention. In Victorian times, the optimum sleeping pattern was considered to be a few hours in the early morning, get up at say 4am, do a few chores, or in these women's habits go to the pub; and go back to bed for a few hours. It follows that lots of people on the streets after say 5.30am, is to be expected in that period.

But, you have to show that fish and chips or fish and potatoes were part of the breakfast of the Victorian poor, i.e. there was a market for it at that time of the morning. I doubt it very much.

I've lived in England all of my life, and believe me when I say that fried fish is not something that people eat for their breakfast. Add in Mary's financial position, and then add the choice of many of those people: booze or fried fish in the morning.

The likelihood is that Mary, or more to the point the person who bought fish and chips/potatoes for her, did not source that food after 1.30am. Add in that Mary was in her room for a while singing, and in my mind it is highly likely that Mary ate that food prior to Mary Cox seeing her.

But, why don't you have a look 'round the internet, do some research on the breakfast habits of the Victorian poor. In the event you find something interesting, people will appreciate it.

[etenguy]

Maybe someone has already addressed this and I i missed it, but if we're going to be talking about when places that served food closed, then there's also the question of when they re-opened, given the premise of the thread and the time they re-opened was probably before 9:00.

Hi Lewis

You make a good point. Though would MJK have eaten fish and potatoes for breakfast?

[Simon Wood]

Mary Jane Kelly was not murdered in Room 13, Millers Court. All the witness statements, medical opinions and time of death estimates are balderdash.

https://www.amazon.com/Secret-Histor...&sr=1-1

[Lewis C]

Maybe someone has already addressed this and I i missed it, but if we're going to be talking about when places that served food closed, then there's also the question of when they re-opened, given the premise of the thread and the time they re-opened was probably before 9:00.