Room 13 Miller's Court

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  • Jenni Shelden
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    Hi,

    re the above, I suppose if someone did have the said pictures, they would not necessarily know what they are, (I don't mean Eric I mean whoever he might have given them to/sold them to etc) increasing the chances of them being, damaged, destroyed or forgotten. I mean the one that looks across towards the bedside table, is hardly what one might describe as an easily identifiable image, especially if it were to have become seperated. Therefore - that would be my major worry should any other material be out their. it may even be mis identified as another crime scene, etc, etc, depending on where it was.

    Jenni
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  • Observer
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    Hi Chris, I hope you don't mind me re-posting your newspaper report, but I wonder if Prater who herself was a prostitute and with nobody to support her actually used the words

    "she dressed poorly as of course she was badly off"

    Kettle calling the frying pan black comes to mind.

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  • Monty
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    Stewart,

    I remember seeing the Littlechild letter with my own eyes last year. I also remember you telling me the story (one of many I recall, some quite enlightening) of how you aqquired it.

    Makes me wonder what else is out there. I mean, the Whitby-Green collection that Philip and Rob used in their book (not all the images from the collection were used in that book Folks) may just be the tip of the Iceberg. There may be other avid John Bennets and Rob Clacks from the turn of the last century, whose combined interest in this new fangled photography and Ripperology may yet hold some treasures waiting to be uncovered by family members.

    Or even worst, lost.

    Monty

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  • Stewart P Evans
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    Very Interesting

    Very interesting Mike. An important part of hunting out this material is recognising what you are looking at. Eric had no idea who Littlechild was, nor the importance of the letter when he sold it to me. In part of his interview for the documentary, that was edited out for the final version, he was asked if he had realised. "Of course not!" he declared, "If I had Mr. Evans would have had to pay a million pounds for it." Eric really was a great character.

    For my part, when I received the Littlechild letter, with other letters, from Eric in a Jiffy bag I immediately realised who Littlechild was as I already had his memoirs, The Reminiscences of Chief Inspector Littlechild, and I realised its significance. The other letters had been written to Sims as a result of an article 'My Criminal Museum' in Lloyd's Weekly News of September 22, 1907, and Eric had assumed it was merely another reader's letter, albeit of a later date.

    The hunt goes on...
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  • Mike Covell
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    It is hard to imagine just how big Mr. Barton's collection must have been and just what treasures were hidden within.

    I spent some time recently going through documents that were left behind in the building were Robert D'Onston Stephenson's Cousin Joseph Dawber was a practising solicitor.

    Nothing of intrest was found but they have been passed to a gentleman who is cataloguing and digitising everything for future generations.

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  • Stewart P Evans
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    On Record

    I felt that it was time that this information went on record and it exemplifies how new material may be found. And those Miller's Court and Mary Kelly photographs are somewhere 'out there'.

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  • Stewart P Evans
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    Eric Barton 1909-1997

    Eric Barton died in London on 21 May 1997, I have much to thank him for and he will be fondly remembered by many. My friend Timothy d'Arch Smith wrote his obituary for The Independent -

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  • Stewart P Evans
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    Nearly Lost

    After Eric had read my book he wrote and told me how the Littlechild letter had nearly been lost -

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  • Stewart P Evans
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    Publication

    Fortunately Eric lived to see the publication of my book and to read it, this from September 1995 -

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  • Stewart P Evans
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    November 1994

    By 22 November 1994 I was deeply immersed in writing The Lodger and I dropped a line to Eric with a hopeful mention of the Kelly material -

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  • Stewart P Evans
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    June 1994

    On 9 June 1994 I wrote to Eric mentioning Ripper material - and a book writing project that I had commenced -

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  • Stewart P Evans
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    May 1994

    On 17 May 1994 Eric wrote to me after completing further sorting of his collection, nothing more relating to Jack the Ripper had been found -

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  • Stewart P Evans
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    January 1994

    During these months Eric was dogged by ill-health and I was loath to pester him. In January 1994 Eric finally reached the conclusion that the Miller's Court material must have been sold -

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  • Stewart P Evans
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    August 1993

    In August 1993 I received a letter from Eric which indicated that he was still bearing the Kelly photographs in mind -

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    Unfortunately the result was negative, Toby had no knowledge and Eric said, "Leave it still to me."

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  • Stewart P Evans
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    Some Success

    There was a small success at this time as Eric located another item from the George R Sims collection. It was the police colour facsimile of the 'saucy Jacky' postcard that had obviously been given to Sims by his friend Macnaghten. Eric sold it to me and it arrived in the below envelope (Eric sadly died many years ago and his family does not live in Sheen Road anymore) -

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