The Broken Window

[Stewart P Evans]

Thank You

I don't know if Gary would like to have another go, or indeed anyone else that can use Photoshop, as different people have different techniques and some might work out better than others. I personally can't do much more with it, but someone else might have better luck. All I did was to adust the black levels using the 'levels' feature in Photoshop. It's still not much clearer, but slightly better. It looks more or less the same on the site now as it does in my Photoshop.
Jane
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Thank you for that Jane, the two broken, right side panes are visible in my original photograph.

[Jane Coram]

I don't know if Gary would like to have another go, or indeed anyone else that can use Photoshop, as different people have different techniques and some might work out better than others. I personally can't do much more with it, but someone else might have better luck. All I did was to adust the black levels using the 'levels' feature in Photoshop. It's still not much clearer, but slightly better. It looks more or less the same on the site now as it does in my Photoshop.

Jane

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[Jane Coram]

The photograph actually looks much clearer on my machine. I think it's lost some of the quality being posted up to the site. This is the copy of the photograph that Stewart posted up, so I presume it's a scan from the first generation hard copy print. I'll see if I can reproduce the exact black levels that display in photoshop on my machine, so that it shows a true version of the image I'm looking at. It does show the bottom right and left window panes quite clearly, so people can make a better judgement. Other than adjusting the black levels slightly, it's not been retouched in any other way.

Hugs

Janie

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[Abby Normal]

After viewing the photos, to me there is a clear break in top right pane, but none in the others.

I am now starting to think that the whole reaching through the window to open the door was incorrect/lie as it does not seem possible to unlock the door through the top right broken pane. The landlord having to smash in the door also in my mind reinforces this.

What is going on here? Did they really lose the key? Did MK just keep the door unlocked alll the time. Could the door be locked when leaving without a key?

[Bob Hinton]

I think you've hit the nail on the head - furthest means nearest precicely because of how you spin it. We in 21C land are looking at a photo of the place and we judge nearest and furthest based on the position of the camera. They, at the inquest were looking at a plan (and a plan made looking from a certain direction). Do we know in which direction this was? If not, we can only go on the pictures we have
... and they seem conclusive to me.

I’m sorry Raoul but you are totally wrong. I don’t judge which is nearest or furthest from the position of the camera, I judge it from the position of Bowyer as he walked round the corner, as I assume most people do. Walking round the corner he is coming up to two windows. One is a large one which is furthest away, and the other is the small one which is nearest. The nearest, the small window has four panes of glass in it.

After getting himself in a knot he is shown the plans and he identifies the pane of glass he is talking about. He says:

“I refer to the plans and I mean the farthest pane of the first window, the small one”

You cannot get clearer than this.

As for the photograph I must admit after seeing the one posted I have serious doubts about the “broken pane”. It looks to me as if the picture has been re-touched. I’ve never seen a broken window like that before. Do we still have the original glass negative anywhere? If it hasn’t then it only clearly shows one broken window pane that of upper right, there are no clear indications of other panes being broken.

[harry]

If we are to stick to facts,then what Barnett said about reaching through the window to open the door is quite understandable if the bottom half of the sash window was pushed upwards,and I see no reason why the window in question couldn't be.
Of course one would actually be reaching through a void space,but in the language of the day,whether it was a hand,head or whole torso,it would be spoken of as"through the window".
I do not think there is any problem with the statement given by Barnett.

[Jane Coram]

This is the clearest I can get it. I used the one that Stewart kindly posted up on this thread -- http://forum.casebook.org/showthread.php?t=612

Hugs

Janie

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[The Grave Maurice]

Try another filter, Garry. Maybe you can get all four panes to appear broken.

[Veritas]

Yes as soon as I saw the photo I realized that the door was too far away for her to beable ot rach thorugh the broken glass to get at. Another Ripper legend smashed to bits!

[Raoul's Obsession]

Could it be that Philips got it wrong and that one of the panes in the furthest window was broken and i do mean furthest to be furthest not nearest cos furthest could never mean nearest no matter what type of way you wish to spin it.

I think you've hit the nail on the head - furthest means nearest precicely because of how you spin it. We in 21C land are looking at a photo of the place and we judge nearest and furthest based on the position of the camera. They, at the inquest were looking at a plan (and a plan made looking from a certain direction). Do we know in which direction this was? If not, we can only go on the pictures we have
... and they seem conclusive to me.

[Garry Wroe]

Having applied various filters to the photograph I came up with these two images. I don't know if they're of any use, but here goes:-





Best of luck!

Garry Wroe.

[Rob Clack]

Hi Rob and Richard
There is no clearly visible break in any pane other than the top right.This is starting to remind me of 'most haunted' where some people stare at webcam images all night and then text in to say what they've seen,where in reality if you stare at something long enough the eye can decieve you.I've looked at this image on two computers at every possible angle and there is no clear break on the panes other than top right which is clear and obvious with every line and angle.If the bottom right was broken we would surely see some sort of jagged edges.
Could it be that Philips got it wrong and that one of the panes in the furthest window was broken and i do mean furthest to be furthest not nearest cos furthest could never mean nearest no matter what type of way you wish to spin it.

Well I can see clear breaks in the bottom right, but if you can't see one in the bottom left but you can in the top right, it probably means there isn't one in the bottom left.

Rob

[Robert]

Hi Chava

My bet is that it was Mr A who closed the door. Kelly had been drinking. It was cold. Her boots were in front of the fire so it would have been bare feet on a filthy floor if she got up. She probably just shut her eyes to get a bit of kip.

[packers stem]

Hi Rob and Richard
There is no clearly visible break in any pane other than the top right.This is starting to remind me of 'most haunted' where some people stare at webcam images all night and then text in to say what they've seen,where in reality if you stare at something long enough the eye can decieve you.I've looked at this image on two computers at every possible angle and there is no clear break on the panes other than top right which is clear and obvious with every line and angle.If the bottom right was broken we would surely see some sort of jagged edges.
Could it be that Philips got it wrong and that one of the panes in the furthest window was broken and i do mean furthest to be furthest not nearest cos furthest could never mean nearest no matter what type of way you wish to spin it.

[richardnunweek]

Hello Bob,
I am utterly confused [ whats new?] the window that was broken was the one nearest the door, bottom right, and top right, regardless of what Bowyer did,or did not mean.
This has never been a issue until now, the pilot coat hung over the window with the missing glass, and it was through this window that Bowyer observed the body, at first glance seeing the flesh on the bedside table , which would have been immediately in eyeshot.
Are you disputing the said window, had two breaks in it, or are you purely stating that Bowyer got his facts wrong, or are you saying that the picture we have always assumed was room 13, Millers court,.? is not the actual dwelling Mary Kellys body lay?
Regards Richard.