Kelly photo 1 enhanced - graphic

[Blackkat]

Hello Blackkat!

Otherwise your notions are quite good, but;

on another thread the lady members pointed out to me, that at the time the women didn't paint their toenails!

All the best
Jukka

Not true. Women painted their toenails as far back as 3000B.C. and Queen Nefertiti would pain her nails red. Also 19th century cookbooks contained directions for making nail paints. In the 19th and 20th century women still went for the polished rather than painted look, by messaging tinted powders and cremes into their nails. It really depended on which the woman liked best, but yes they did have nail paint in 1888, although color nail polish wasn't invented until later, the tint powders including Henna could be used to tint the nails.

I believe 20th century- one can research Graf’s Hyglo nail polish paste.
Other than that, colored nail lacquers have been around thousands of years.

Another reason her toenails look painted? They could be a bluish grey tint under the nail that follows death.

[j.r-ahde]

Hello Blackkat!

Otherwise your notions are quite good, but;

on another thread the lady members pointed out to me, that at the time the women didn't paint their toenails!

All the best
Jukka

[Blackkat]

Good points.

I don't think she has anything on. No socks etc. To me it appears the ripper cut her garmet away from her, but not completely taking it off, which is the reason you can see it still on her shoulders. Her legs look bare. The blood smeared on her right leg, looks smeared into skin. Her other leg - shows her toenails painted.

Also Sam = the circle just below her right knee - seen in the photo - how big would you say that was inch wise?

edit: In the post beow I suggested the garters would be attached to the corset or belt, I quickly checked and it appears that was not in practice yet, but instead the garters were elastic bands, usually an inch or so in width, and they were addorned with ruffles or some decorative element in fabric that often matched the undergarments or even the ladies outerlayer clothing. That thin dark line is not representative of what I read.



Now I can return the favour.....that circular line around her leg below the knee is either the top of her stocking rolled down to create a single, dark line, or its an incision....a garter would be wider, and would have likely....." edited".

Best regards.

If I look long and hard enough, I can see a miniature version of my nan's rocking-chair. Believe me, Anna, the only non-fleshly object on that table is the table-top itself.

It seems that once again you dont see what others do Sam, yet it inevitably is the other persons mistake.

You may offer whatever rocking chair analogy you feel like, but there is/are objects on the table, under the viscera. If you wont acknowledge them, thats not my or Annas problem, nor our mistake.

As I said I have close ups that are enhanced that were given to me, and show that clearly, but I dont feel like defending them as well.

Best regards

[Sam Flynn]

She wasn't wearing any leggings er.. long undies right?

I, for one, think that she was wearing a white stocking on her right leg - that black, smudged stripe (alongside the circle you saw) I believe to be a garter, or perhaps more likely a shoelace doubling up as a makeshift garter. You can see its continuation in the "full-body" photograph.

[Paddy Goose]

Pardon me while I urp.

[Blackkat]

You know I was referring to your question right? "what the circle was" not the "writing" I thought I saw.

She wasn't wearing any leggings er.. long undies right? I was just saying maybe it was a cut, but I don't really know because I can't see how a circular cut would be made right below her knee.

[Sam Flynn]

Hi Kat,

Thanks for the thanks!

On a more general note, I should be very surprised if we'd be able see anything real on that image that was mere millimetres wide in real life, at least not with any confidence. We may be seeing particles of dust, or some other imperfection that came in contact with the photograph (or electronic reproductions thereof) during its 120 year history.

[Blackkat]

Thanks much Sam. Appreciate it.

Whoever wrote it would have needed a very fine pen if so, Kat - that mark is only a few millimetres long.

Bear in mind that the image is a copy of a copy of a ... (etc). The original from which it came was extremely old, and would not have been in pristine condition to start with. Even the original plate/negative wasn't taken using particularly sophisticated photographic techniques. In addition, what we're actually looking at is an Nth-generation compressed electronic image, and image compression loses and distorts pixels.

Enhancing an image of this nature will clean up certain areas, but does so at a cost - not only will information be lost, but the process also enhances any blemishes or distortions that might have been there in the first place. Sometimes those blemishes appear to take on a life of their own, I'm afraid, and it's all too easy to read too much into them. A bit like reading tea-leaves.

[Blackkat]

Well then if she doesn't have anything on that leg(clothing) then perhaps it's a round slight incision.

[Sam Flynn]

Is it just my eyes playing tricks or... Is there writing in the circle on her knee????

Whoever wrote it would have needed a very fine pen if so, Kat - that mark is only a few millimetres long.

Bear in mind that the image is a copy of a copy of a ... (etc). The original from which it came was extremely old, and would not have been in pristine condition to start with. Even the original plate/negative wasn't taken using particularly sophisticated photographic techniques. In addition, what we're actually looking at is an Nth-generation compressed electronic image, and image compression loses and distorts pixels.

Enhancing an image of this nature will clean up certain areas, but does so at a cost - not only will information be lost, but the process also enhances any blemishes or distortions that might have been there in the first place. Sometimes those blemishes appear to take on a life of their own, I'm afraid, and it's all too easy to read too much into them. A bit like reading tea-leaves.

[Blackkat]

[Sam Flynn]

A hand mirror is definitely visible,with at least 3 other objects I can pick out and recognise,as similar to some handed down from my great gran to my nan.

If I look long and hard enough, I can see a miniature version of my nan's rocking-chair. Believe me, Anna, the only non-fleshly object on that table is the table-top itself.

[Blackkat]

Is it just my eyes playing tricks or...

When I blew the picture up(the second pic posted) and enlarged it 200x. Is there writing in the circle on her knee???? Did someone write something? It almost looked like the last word in the circle was *Jack*

Sorry I might just be in need of an eye exam again.