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Hello folks,
The wounds to Mary's face were arguably the only ones that indicate ferocity or anger, the excisions and amputations might well have been done calmly, which would allign with the placement of the biological specimens... rather than just the tossing on the table or floor of them.
For that reason I agree with Face First, I think he would not be in frenzied state for the entire time in the room, when in fact it appears he settled in for perhaps 30 minutes or more, but he might be at the attacks commencement....since Mary does have defensive wounds, he must have struggled to some degree with her...that may have angered him, if he has has avoided such resistance with the 4 priors. Maybe she bit him....and he lashed out with the knife and couldnt stop himself.
I think its very possible Mary may be the only victim in the JtR saga that was awake and alive when she was first cut....he may have choked the others into an unconscious condition before cutting their throats.
Best regards all.
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Originally posted by Dan Norder View PostMonty's argument that there is no reported fecal matter or so forth in the facial wounds would seem to point toward the facial mutilations happening before the rest.
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And this is an MJK topic so speaking of her I would say all I really have to go by is what happened in Nichols/Chapman and I see no attempt. I think its reasonable to assume JTR fantasized about what he was going to do before he did it. And the face must not have been too important to him compared to the internal organs and or the abdomen.
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Originally posted by Mitch Rowe View PostAnd the face must not have been too important to him compared to the internal organs and or the abdomen.Kind regards, Sam Flynn
"Suche Nullen" (Nietzsche, Götzendämmerung, 1888)
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Hello Michael!
Originally posted by perrymason View PostHello folks,
The wounds to Mary's face were arguably the only ones that indicate ferocity or anger, the excisions and amputations might well have been done calmly, which would allign with the placement of the biological specimens... rather than just the tossing on the table or floor of them.
For that reason I agree with Face First, I think he would not be in frenzied state for the entire time in the room, when in fact it appears he settled in for perhaps 30 minutes or more, but he might be at the attacks commencement....since Mary does have defensive wounds, he must have struggled to some degree with her...that may have angered him, if he has has avoided such resistance with the 4 priors. Maybe she bit him....and he lashed out with the knife and couldnt stop himself.
I think its very possible Mary may be the only victim in the JtR saga that was awake and alive when she was first cut....he may have choked the others into an unconscious condition before cutting their throats.
Best regards all.
All the best
Jukka"When I know all about everything, I am old. And it's a very, very long way to go!"
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Originally posted by Mitch Rowe View PostYes.. Well when I see see the conclusive test results Ill be glad to make an opinion on that.
Dan Norder
Ripper Notes: The International Journal for Ripper Studies
Web site: www.RipperNotes.com - Email: dannorder@gmail.com
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Originally posted by Sam Flynn View PostIt's possibly less a matter of importance than expediency, Mitch. He's near the face just after he cuts the neck - so why not go for it then? On the other hand, if it was mission accomplished once he'd secured an apparently "important" organ, why stop to slash the face? Personally, I don't think he'd have cared overmuch about the order in which he mutilated - just so long as he did.
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Originally posted by Dan Norder View PostFair enough, but you have already made and posted an opinion in the absence of conclusive test reports to support your view. I don't know why so many people expect anyone who has a different opinion to be forced to support it with more evidence than they have to support their own.
Im not expecting you to to support anything with more evidence. Im merely pointing out that there is not much to support either opinion. Yours is just a valid as mine.
EDIT>>> And if a valid report surfaced wich did not support my opinion I would be glad to rely on that instead of having to speculate.Last edited by Mitch Rowe; 10-04-2008, 09:04 PM.
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Originally posted by Mitch Rowe View PostIm merely pointing out that there is not much to support either opinion. Yours is just a valid as mine.
Dan Norder
Ripper Notes: The International Journal for Ripper Studies
Web site: www.RipperNotes.com - Email: dannorder@gmail.com
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Thats assuming the face was on the agenda for those murders, though it obviously wasnt for Chapman.
MontyMonty
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Author of Capturing Jack the Ripper.
http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/aw/d/1445621622
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Originally posted by emlodik View PostSince the first two (three) victims were killed in relative hurry and their face was untouched, it appears that Jack went for the face last...Last edited by Sam Flynn; 10-05-2008, 01:25 PM.Kind regards, Sam Flynn
"Suche Nullen" (Nietzsche, Götzendämmerung, 1888)
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Originally posted by emlodik View PostSince the first two (three) victims were killed in relative hurry and their face was untouched, it appears that Jack went for the face last...
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