31st August = Bank Holiday?

[mariab]

The average Victorian either got paid weekly or daily, I do not recall seeing any reference to monthly payments. That is a more modern thing tied in with computer banking.

Thanks Monty. I had no idea about this.
When you say that you feel that “the timing of the crimes is more victim oriented“, do you mean as in opportunity? That the perp went through some dry runs? This might explain the late (or early) hour for Chapman, who incidentally happened in a very short gap after Nichols. As if the perp could hardly contain himself.

Choosing a big, official holiday for MJK can be seen as symbolic, an “up yours“, but also as in calculating that the police would be busy otherwise.

[Monty]

Maria,

The Lord Mayors show is more a celebration than a holiday.

Also, it occured in the City and came under the City of Londons Police Force to maintain. However we do have the fact that Dorset Street was patrolled by a member of Lambeth Division. Now this could be down to the reinforcements bought in to subsidise H Division or because some H Division had been drawn in to suppliment the City force on Mayors show day, thus calling the L division bobby

Personally I feel its the former, with the City boys possibly dragging in supplements from Divisions further afield who were not suppling men to H division.

I hope this post makes sense.

Monty

[mariab]

Makes total sense Monty, and thank you so much, though I really need to read up on this. I might have some questions (also pertaining to the WVC and a Star request for the formation of committees). Is it OK if I asked you when I'm done reading up?

[Simon Wood]

Hi Maria,

Daily News, 10th November 1888—

"Inspector Beck and Sergeant Betham, 31 H, who were in charge of about forty constables who had been held in readiness in anticipation of a possible Socialist disturbance attending the Lord Mayor's Show, at once proceeded to the scene of the murder, running to the house as quickly as they could. By this time the news had spread so rapidly that over a thousand persons were gathered in the street, and these were rapidly cleared away from the court and the side of Dorset Street adjoining, while the Inspector entered the house."

What an astonishing stroke of luck that, with the Lord Mayor's Show going on, H Division had so many men ready to seal off Dorset Street.

Regards,

Simon

[Monty]

Simon,

I was just doing some trawling, found a Manchester Guardian article (same as the Daily News) and just about to post when I see you have already beaten me to the punch, thank you.

It seems H division had men on standby at Commercial St nick, which isn't that far from Dorset Street, rather than at the parade itself.

Of course 31 H is actually Badham, of Hutchinson fame...and Hanbury St....and Castle Alley. I'm surprised he hasn't been labelled a suspect too.

Monty

[Simon Wood]

Patience

Give it time, Monty. Give it time.

Regards,

Simon

[Adam Went]

Hey all,

Tom:

In a case where there is little evidence, the next thing is to try and work out patterns, and then apply that to the likelihood of certain suspects or certain theories. I believe that the weekend/holiday killings is a pattern - you're right that it might not always be "overlooked" but it is at times, especially in the arena of suspect based research.

A jobless vagabond is available to kill on any night of the week, because of course they rarely if ever have anything to tie them down at any one time. On the flip side, somebody who is holding down regular employment may only be capable of going out into the wee hours of the morning on a weekend.

Also, the point has been raised by a couple of posters that prostitutes would be more likely to be out and about on the weekend - this is only true to a point. There was thousands of women who made their living on the streets, they would have been out in order to survive regardless of whether it was Saturday night or Wednesday night.

Robert:

What if - to tie in with Tom's comments about a seaman - the dock fires in some way prevented the killer from going to work on that particular day?
Just thinking out loud.

K-453:

I appreciate what you're saying, but at the same time I think the whole "wouldn't go out during the week" theory is being overplayed a little. In 2011, that would be more the case, but in 1888, going out and drinking or going to the theatre was just about the only entertainment people had. No going home to play Call of Duty on the Playstation. Victorian workers would often work a 12 hour day, then go straight to the pub, then get a few hours sleep and then go back and do it all over again.

It's not as if the pubs and streets were deserted during the working week in Victorian London.

Cheers,
Adam.