What Direction Was Polly Travelling When She Was Killed?

[MrBarnett]

Yes, and with a coach house, there may have been a clock.

Fascinating stuff, unfortunatly still no real evidence of exit from Winthrop to Brown's Yard, still you can't have everything Gary


Steve

No, indeed. To me the maps suggest two separate premises. And I ask myself, if you have a main entrance on Bucks Row, why do you need a back door in Winthrop Street?

[MrBarnett]

Glad it was a little help x

Every little helps, as the little boy said...

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[Joshua Rogan]

Didn't Simon's post say that the auction was to take place "on the premesis" in Buck's Row, rather than Winthrop Street?
As the Goad map showing the Winthrop St courtyard and coach house is from 1890 it's presumably not the one that was cleared by the auction.

[Elamarna]

I was being lazy, Steve, just going on the cropped imaged posted by Simon. Of course, you're right. There is an archway from Brady Street into the coach house yard. Plenty of such premises in the area, including ones that would have required the amount and type of building materials listed in the advert.

Yes, and with a coach house, there may have been a clock.

Fascinating stuff, unfortunatly still no real evidence of exit from Winthrop to Brown's Yard, still you can't have everything Gary


Steve

[Debra A]

You'll notice that Deb's tax record shows a house and yard at no. 9 occupied by someone named J E Hartshorne. The directory Simon posted shows a building supplies dealer named Jane Eliza Hartshorne at that address.

That's most likely where the materials from the large (much larger than Browns) stables were being stored.

Glad it was a little help x

[MrBarnett]

Looking at Goad and OS, both 73 and 93-95 looks like access from Brady


steve

I was being lazy, Steve, just going on the cropped imaged posted by Simon. Of course, you're right. There is an archway from Brady Street into the coach house yard. Plenty of such premises in the area, including ones that would have required the amount and type of building materials listed in the advert.

[Elamarna]

That was presumably accessed from the Whitechapel Road.

That little corner of Whitechapel was always somewhat horsey, I believe - stables, horse dealers, knackers etc. HB was there because William Monk had been there before and bequeathed his business to William Barber, the father of Alfred who hooked up with John Harrison to create the horse-slaughtering monopoly of HB.

Looking at Goad and OS, both 73 and 93-95 looks like access from Brady


steve

[MrBarnett]

And the open courtyard to the east of it, with building labled coach house?

Steve

That was presumably accessed from the Whitechapel Road.

That little corner of Whitechapel was always somewhat horsey, I believe - stables, horse dealers, knackers etc. HB was there because William Monk had been there before and bequeathed his business to William Barber, the father of Alfred who hooked up with John Harrison to create the horse-slaughtering monopoly of HB.

[Elamarna]

I wonder what was kept in the large building behind no. 9 with BUILDER emblazoned across it? I think I have a photo of no. 9 somewhere. I'll try to dig it out.

And the open courtyard to the east of it, with building labled coach house?

Steve

[MrBarnett]

I wonder what was kept in the large building behind no. 9 with BUILDER emblazoned across it? I think I have a photo of no. 9 somewhere. I'll try to dig it out.

Post 46, here:

http://www.jtrforums.com/showthread.php?p=269927&highlight=Winthrop+corner#post269927

[MrBarnett]

No. 9 Winthrop Street.

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I wonder what was kept in the large building behind no. 9 with BUILDER emblazoned across it? I think I have a photo of no. 9 somewhere. I'll try to dig it out.

[Simon Wood]

No. 9 Winthrop Street.

[MrBarnett]

Going off at a tangent, I notice the name Harwood on the tax record. There was someone of that surname who owned properties in Dorset Street and Little Paternoster Row which were later owned by Ann McCarthy. Different forename, though.

And some more trivia: I believe the registrar who signed Polly Nichols' death cert, John Hall, was the 'horse coroner' who was supposed to inspect the animals killed at HB's Winthrop Street yard.

Apologies for the diversion.

[Elamarna]

You'll notice that Deb's tax record shows a house and yard at no. 9 occupied by someone named J E Hartshorne. The directory Simon posted shows a building supplies dealer named Jane Eliza Hartshorne at that address.

That's most likely where the materials from the large (much larger than Browns) stables were being stored.

I agree that seems the most lilely possibility. I plan to link to this actual thread, it gives great insight into very serious if no earth shattering research.


Steve

[MrBarnett]

This is Buck's Row in close up, 87 and 1890 Land Tax


1887


1890

Thanks, Deb's. I see there's 'new stabling' in 1887.