How Many Victims Were There?

[Herlock Sholmes]

It would be interest for me to gauge opinion on how many actual victims (murders) there were that each poster attributes to Jack the Ripper. I intended to do it as a poll but I decided against it as there were so many combinations for eg c5 + Tabram or c5 + Tabram and Mackenzie or c5 + Mackenzie.

I’ll suggest the term c4 to denote the c5 minus Stride?

Even without the poll format we’ll be able to get a feel for what posters think. This thread isn’t really for comments or debate just the presentation of your opinions although it would be ok for you to add your level of likeliness if you feel it’s important.

Ill begin.

I go for the c5

(with Tabram and Mackenzie accepted as possibles.) At a guess I’d say 25% Tabram, 30-40% Mackenzie.

[DJA]

Five.

[Harry D]

AT LEAST ten victims...

Rainham torso
Nichols
Whitehall torso
Chapman
Stride
Eddowes
Kelly
Jackson
McKenzie
Pinchin torso

[Kattrup]

C5 (fillertext)

[Michael W Richards]

C2, possibly 3. Remove Liz and Mary. Circumstances in both cases suggest other possible motives than just a compulsion for murder and mutilation.

If 2 is correct, then an explanation for why they stopped with Annie is present within the known "suspects" files. In fact the suspect later ID'd from an appearance at the pub down the street from the Hanbury murder scene on the morning of the murder is a likely prospect. The means, the skills, the institutionalization between C2 and C3 murders ending the series...it could fit. People who think that only Jack killed street women during this period should look closer at the Torsos, or the other 8 or so Unsolved murders, which suggest multiple men doing violent acts.

[Abby Normal]

AT LEAST ten victims...

Rainham torso
Nichols
Whitehall torso
Chapman
Stride
Eddowes
Kelly
Jackson
McKenzie
Pinchin torso

agree with this. but if ripper was separate from torso (i doubt)then c7-add tabram and McKenzie to c5.

[Herlock Sholmes]

Thanks for the responses. I’ll give it a week or so to get a better overall picture.

[Ginger]

Canonical Five, and probably Martha Tabram as well. I'd not be at all surprised to learn that Annie Millwood was a victim of the Ripper also. I have trouble imagining that he started out murdering women right off the bat. We see an escalating series of horrors from Polly Nichols up to Mary Kelly (excepting Elizabeth Stride, but I think he didn't get to finish what he'd begun there). It seems sensible to me that his earliest crimes would have been part of that pattern of ever-increasing violence.

[Trevor Marriott]

It would be interest for me to gauge opinion on how many actual victims (murders) there were that each poster attributes to Jack the Ripper. I intended to do it as a poll but I decided against it as there were so many combinations for eg c5 + Tabram or c5 + Tabram and Mackenzie or c5 + Mackenzie.

I’ll suggest the term c4 to denote the c5 minus Stride?

Even without the poll format we’ll be able to get a feel for what posters think. This thread isn’t really for comments or debate just the presentation of your opinions although it would be ok for you to add your level of likeliness if you feel it’s important.

Ill begin.

I go for the c5

(with Tabram and Mackenzie accepted as possibles.) At a guess I’d say 25% Tabram, 30-40% Mackenzie.

3 Nichols.chapman.Eddowes

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[John G]

Nichols, Chapman, Eddowes close to 100%. Stride 40-50%, Kelly 90% plus. Torso victims, zero to 0.5%. Tabram, 50-60%. Mackenzie, around 20%. Coles, 10%. Smith, 10%.

[Sam Flynn]

Nichols, Chapman, Eddowes close to 100%. Stride 40-50%, Kelly 90% plus. Torso victims, zero to 0.5%. Tabram, 50-60%. Mackenzie, around 20%. Coles, 10%. Smith, 10%.

Pretty close to how I'd rate them, John.

[John G]

Pretty close to how I'd rate them, John.

Thanks Gareth- great minds think alike!

[Michael W Richards]

3 Nichols.chapman.Eddowes

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Nice to be in agreement with you Trevor. And by the way we both agree with Stewart Evans, I asked him directly here how many victims he puts under this JtR killer, and he told me 2 perhaps 3. That 3rd for me is Eddowes.

[John G]

Nice to be in agreement with you Trevor. And by the way we both agree with Stewart Evans, I asked him directly here how many victims he puts under this JtR killer, and he told me 2 perhaps 3. That 3rd for me is Eddowes.

He has been more equivocal: "Both authors feel that on grounds of modus operandi at the very least, Nichols, Chapman and Eddowes were almost certainly victims of the same killer. There must be less certainty, on the same grounds, that Stride and Kelly were." (Evans and Rumbelow, 2006)

[GUT]

Nichols, Chapman, Eddowes close to 100%. Stride 40-50%, Kelly 90% plus. Torso victims, zero to 0.5%. Tabram, 50-60%. Mackenzie, around 20%. Coles, 10%. Smith, 10%.

Pretty close to my answer but I’d go more like 80 on stride and 40-50 on Tabram