Victim's simularities

[Malcolm X]

That's the case with almost every serial killer, Lynn. From Nichols to Kelly, the same hand is rather obvious when compared to many other murder sprees.



Period, location, ferocity, viciousness, victimology, MO.

yes you'll always get variety, but not so much as to tell you that these other murders aint JTR, or something odd is going on here/ someone else who knew JTR/ periods of insanity, because only the C5 make sense.

JTR was only sane whist committing the C5 murders, and a raving idiot/Schitzo the rest of the time.... no i dont think so.

it's the careless murders after JTR that bother me the most, because beforehand i can almost understand this, but i do have to say that i've hardly ever looked at these murders that closely.

[Addy]

Hi Lynn,

I haven't read much about Fleming yet, so no comment there.

Yes, if you see the pattern evolving in the murders, it is psychologically. The killer went further with every murder and to me, that indicates the further development of the psychological condition of the murderer. That is why I think they were all random victims and none of the murders was premeditated.

Greetings,

Addy

[lynn cates]

diversity

Hello Addy. I agree about the Nichols MJK comparison. And if one sees a progression (as one may do if one ignores a few factors), surely that is psychological?

I see no reason why Fleming does not make a good suspect for Kelly's killer. Of course, much more research needs to be done.

Well, there were coppers and coppers. If we look closely, not all saw one hand--the medicos certainly did not. And the City of London chaps seemed to doubt even the "Double Event."

Cheers.
LC

[lynn cates]

assuming . . .

Hello David. Victimology? Well, if one makes many assumptions--like a woman who is hungry, thirsty, hungover and needing to urinate stops off for sex.

I do not make those assumptions.

Cheers.
LC

[Addy]

Thanks DVV

[Addy]

Hi Lynn,

Indeed, you can't compare all murders everywhere, but a couple of murders occuring in a short time after each other, in the same place, in the same way?

I agree that if there was no murder between Nichols and MJK you wouldn't think they were done by the same man but with the other murders in between, progressing in severity, I think they are part of a series. Who is your suspect for the MJK killing by the way?

We both feel the police at the time was wrong, but I think they started to look at the wrong suspects, you think they were wrong in thinking the murders came from the same hand. Am I right?

Greetings,

Addy

[DVV]

ALL murders have at least one thing in common; All murders contain at least one dissimilarity.

That's the case with almost every serial killer, Lynn. From Nichols to Kelly, the same hand is rather obvious when compared to many other murder sprees.

Where to draw the line?

Period, location, ferocity, viciousness, victimology, MO.

[lynn cates]

compare and contrast

Hello David. ALL murders have at least one thing in common; All murders contain at least one dissimilarity.

Where to draw the line?

Cheers.
LC

[lynn cates]

un poco mas

Hello Addy.

"Why would there be 2 killers?"

Conversely, Why not?

"And whether or not she was a Ripper victim does not really matter, the other murders are still there. "

Yes, and many more in different times and places. But surely they are not ALL from the same hand?

"I don't think you can compare the torso cases with the Ripper cases."

And I don't think you can compare Polly with MJK--but many do.

"The fact that there are many suspects has nothing to do with whether the women were murdered by one man or two or twenty. It just means that it was a difficult case to crack and so far, it hasn't been done. It also has nothing to do with whether or not the police were right in thinking it was just one man, it only means the didn't know which man."

Right. But I was responding to your observation about the Met possibly being wrong. Doubtless, they were.

Cheers.
LC

[DVV]

Hi Addy, good post, agreed.

[DVV]

Sounds almost like all the WCM.
LC

You think ? I don't.

How could it sound like muders that have nothing in common and weren't committed by the same hand, by the way ?

[Addy]

Hi all,

When I say small time frame, I mean within a couple of minutes.

JtR was seen with Eddowes, by Lawende.

Why would there be 2 killers? And as far as mutilations go: only Stride wasn't mutilated and that has been discussed: either she wasn't a Ripper victim or he was disturbed. And whether or not she was a Ripper victim does not really matter, the other murders are still there.

The same circumstances means: at night indeed, in a lonely spot probably picked by the women, the deed done within minutes and in complete silence with no traces left.

I don't think you can compare the torso cases with the Ripper cases. Yes, they are dead indeed, but so are people who die of natural causes. The torso killing were (probably) done by another killer and indeed not in the spot where the torso's were found. The cases are very different and so the perpetrators.

The police had many suspects indeed and modern researchers have added many more. The fact that there are many suspects has nothing to do with whether the women were murdered by one man or two or twenty. It just means that it was a difficult case to crack and so far, it hasn't been done. It also has nothing to do with whether or not the police were right in thinking it was just one man, it only means the didn't know which man.

Greetings,

Addy

[lynn cates]

comparison

Hello David. Well, what counts as special?

"Don't compare, really. We even don't know if they were killed, and if they were, we don't know how, nor where. We don't know either who were the victims. So not comparable at all."

Hmm, we don't know? Sounds almost like all the WCM.

Cheers.
LC

[DVV]

"Then why no murders like those in 1887, 1889, etc?"

Statistical abberation.

Certainly not. It's worth noting, as much as the end of the series.

"Aha. Only two killers and none of them that could be dubbed a serial-killer ? I'm lost

Liz was no copycat. Her throat was cut. Simple. MJK was likely not one either. Who else had their thighs stripped to the bone?

And you tell me there was nothing special in 1888 ?

"Oh dear ! the torsos weren't killed on the spot. Don't compare."

Why not? They, too, were dead.

Don't compare, really. We even don't know if they were killed, and if they were, we don't know how, nor where. We don't know either who were the victims. So not comparable at all.

[lynn cates]

Not only, but also . . . .

Hello Malcolm.

"yes if these other murders aren't JTR, then it's most likely one other person only, i wouldn't go crazy and start saying 3 or 4'

Why is that crazy? Some think that 2 is right out.

"these two killers could be friends, but not always together, together for say Tabram and Stride, the problem we have is none of them look as young as 22, like the bloke i've mentioned above.'

Well, we might have more problems than just that.

"dont forget that JTR can also be Schwartz"

Or nearly anyone else. That is, he could be if he existed.

"oh yes indeed, but this means that you have to dismiss three suspects that are way stronger than him, and one of these is virtually impossible to dismiss right now !!!"

And that would be?

"we could quite easily be wrong about everything and JTR was never seen with Eddowes and Kelly"

Indeed.

"if so this paves the way for virtually anyone"

So perhaps it's time to review the case through fresh eyes?

"but the most likely suspect will be linked to the last 3 murders via Dutfields/ antisemetism, or antisemetism with a twist, this could quite easily be Schwartz"

I don't see any antisemitic links to MJK. True, GH described A-Man as Jewish looking. But that is not anti-semitic.

Cheers.
LC