Victim's simularities

[DVV]

Do not confuse broken-English from the Horn and Somali from the Riviera, or you will get a fine hiding.

[lynn cates]

French

Hello David. Hmm, nice French phrase? I'd have said "Fresh from gaol and bursting to piddle."

Cheers.
LC

[DVV]

She was fresh from Somalia and infibulated ?

[lynn cates]

Kate

Hello David. Sorry, but I'm not biting. No way for Kate.

Cheers.
LC

[DVV]

Hello David. Completely disagree IF you mean they were soliciting when killed.

Cheers.
LC

Obviously they solicited first, and successfully. Or so it seemed, until they got killed.

[lynn cates]

solicitation

Hello David. Completely disagree IF you mean they were soliciting when killed.

Cheers.
LC

[lynn cates]

representation

Hello Addy. Umm, I meant that your seeing it as a progression is psychological. (Are the stairs coming towards or going away? Neither--it is a 2-D representation.)

Cheers.
LC

[DVV]

Regarding the "attempted murder", we have indeed every reason to qualify the case as such.

Rose Bierman said : " I don't know what kind of wound Mrs Wilson has received, but it must have been deep, I should say, from the quantity of blood in the passage".

And from ELO, 31 March : "It is thought impossible that the injured woman can recover."

[DVV]

I would formulate it another way. I believe the Wilson case could well be an early ripper work, for it is clearly an attempted murder and not a burglary gone wild.
As for Fleming, imo he is the best suspect, obviously the best. But I'm off-thread and I don't want to sadden Mike's Sunday.

[Wickerman]

And not a world away from Sailor Man and the Dorset Street loiterer either.

All considered then, you think this is Fleming?

[DVV]

Hi Bridewell, the Wilson case is certainly interesting.
Ada Wilson lied and didn't tell the police she was a prostitute and the man a client she brang home.
Same kind of lie with Emma Smith and her unbelievable gang.

Incidentally( ), Ada Wilson lived very close to Fleming's home in the 70s (in Wellington Street, renamed Cyprus Street). Fleming didn't move to Whitechapel until August or September, he was still in BG in early 1888.

[Bridewell]

Bang On The Money

The man:
"Aged about 30, height 5 ft. 6 in.; face sunburnt, with fair moustache; dressed in dark coat, light trousers, and wideawake hat."

Not a world away from later descriptions of a man seen in Hanbury St., & Berner St.

I wouldn't rule this out.

Regards, Jon S.

Nor would I, Wickerman. I hadn't really looked at this before. "Not a world away from" later descriptions? It's pretty much bang on apart from the "face sunburnt" aspect, but sunburn would have faded by the time of the later murders.

Very interesting.

[DVV]

Not a world away from later descriptions of a man seen in Hanbury St., & Berner St.
Regards, Jon S.

And not a world away from Sailor Man and the Dorset Street loiterer either.

[DVV]

Hello David. Victimology? Well, if one makes many assumptions--like a woman who is hungry, thirsty, hungover and needing to urinate stops off for sex.

I do not make those assumptions.

Cheers.
LC

No idea what you're talking about.

As for victimology, I can make it clearer : not only 1888 saw extraodinary murders in the East End, which is not the case in 1887 nor 1889, but all the 1888 victims were unfortunates aged at least 35 for most of them.
So yes, victimology also tells you there was a serial killer.

[Wickerman]

Quoting press report:"..... Last evening she came into the house accompanied by a male companion, ..... as soon as I commenced to descend I noticed a young fair man rush to the front door and let himself out. "

The man:
"Aged about 30, height 5 ft. 6 in.; face sunburnt, with fair moustache; dressed in dark coat, light trousers, and wideawake hat."

Not a world away from later descriptions of a man seen in Hanbury St., & Berner St.
If the killer was evolving, this attack indoors (like Kelly?) might have been his first. Perhaps emanating from a robbery attempt which went wrong, not necessarily premeditated murder that failed.

I wouldn't rule this out.

Regards, Jon S.