A Possible Reason Why Jack Didn't Mutilate Liz

[revpetero]

Hi,

If Stride was a victim of Jack and the Ripper was scared off by Shwartz, then Jack would have had more time to find and chat up Eddowes.

Your friend, Brad

Not that my experience is vast but in my humble opinion prostitutes don't take much chatting up.

Peter

[Monty]

Because Schwartz story just doesnt fit. If the coventionally accepted events for that night are considered then there is no "Missing puzzle piece" that corresponds to Schwartz story. There is really no choice for the prudent investigator but to ignore Schwartz story completely. Wich is a shame really. Because if true Schwartz story may be the most important of them all. But a person needs to feel comfortable with his truthfulness. For that one needs to sit face to face. Sort of "feel" the person out. Check his friends and Family. How truthful is this person? What do others say about them? It sounds like a bunch of crap but really thats how a Homicide Investigator works a case.

If the Schwartz story has been disproven, then yes.

However, it has neither been proven nor dispelled, so the most prudent of investigator needs to keep an open mind on this aspect and not disregard it just cos 'it doesnt fit'.

Monty

[c.d.]

A reward had not been offered yet when Schwartz came forward with his story. Is that correct?

c.d.

[celee]

Not that my experience is vast but in my humble opinion prostitutes don't take much chatting up.

Peter

Hi,

Peter, come on, you mean to tell me that you never tried to pick up a prostitute.

What I mean is alot of the theories involving a hansome cab depend on the fact that the Ripper would of had a hard time killing Stride and then finding Eddowes in such a short time span. If he was indeed scared away by Shwartz the ripper would have had 15 more minutes then if he was interupted by Diemschutz.

Hi cd,

I believe you are correct.

Your friend, Brad

[c.d.]

Here is another possible scenario...Jack arrives on the scene shortly after the BS man has departed. He talks to Liz who shares her recent encounter with the BS man. Jack kills her but is afraid to stay longer fearing that either the BS man will return or the police (having been summoned by Schwartz) are on the way.

c.d.

[c.d.]

Just so I am clear -- when people say that the Ripper might have been scared off by Schwartz, they are implying that the BS man was Jack. Is that right?

c.d.

[paul emmett]

What I mean is alot of the theories involving a hansome cab depend on the fact that the Ripper would of had a hard time killing Stride and then finding Eddowes in such a short time span.

Hello, Brad, all.

This is why I agree with the theory at the time that JTR was meeting Eddowes. But I also agree with Mitch: for reasons rehearsed quite frequently, I find Scwartz suspect. And I wonder with c.d. if there had been any reward even suggested at that time.

[Ben]

Here is another possible scenario...Jack arrives on the scene shortly after the BS man has departed. He talks to Liz who shares her recent encounter with the BS man.

Still don't like that one, CD! I'm really sorry to be a bore about this, but as I've explained, the "two seperate successive attackers" scenario is tantamount to coincidence overload for me.

Hi Mitch,

...What Monty said.

All the best,
Ben

[c.d.]

Hi Ben,

I can understand your trouble with that, it pushes coincidence. But I as have stated before, it also depends on the definition of attack. There are attacks and then there are attacks. Slicing a prostitute's throat is one thing but a drunk shoving her to the ground is quite another even if it is technically considered an attack.

c.d.

[Ben]

Hi CD,

I see your point, but bear in mind that a knife attack has to commence somehow. It would be very unusual for a fatal throat wound to be the very first point of contact between victim and assailant in such an attack.

Best regards,
Ben

[c.d.]

Hi CD,

I see your point, but bear in mind that a knife attack has to commence somehow. It would be very unusual for a fatal throat wound to be the very first point of contact between victim and assailant in such an attack.

Best regards,
Ben

Hi Ben,

Which is why I have trouble with the BS man being Liz's killer. I would expect that he would have slapped her around first.

c.d.

[Ben]

Hi CD,

We don't know for certain that no slapping around took place, but we needn't necessarily expect it. If he wanted to slit her throat and cause death, he needed to exercise some sort of physical control over her first, and while this would probably involve a lot of physical manhandling, it needn't have involved fisty-cuffs specifically.

Regards,
Ben

[revpetero]

Hi CD,

it needn't have involved fisty-cuffs specifically.

Regards,
Ben

Fisty-Cuffs just isn't used enough nowadays

Thanks Ben

[Ben]

You're welcome, Revpetero.

[perrymason]

The sole reason that may have credence is that the killer was possibly interrupted. To suggest anything else is purely speculation on what was in the killers mind. That we cannot know. All we can know is what the end result was. And that was Liz Stride was cut once within 14 minutes of being seen in an "assault", and the only people we can safely assume might have been there during that time were Broadshouldered Man and Liz, the soon to be victim and her witnessed assailant.

I would think the only argument for Jack as this Killer would have to be that Jack is Broadshouldered Man, and decided for only this kill to be highly visible in front of witnesses with the victim beforehand, and he somehow got cold feet when he heard the cart approaching,... or Jack somehow appears after the witnessed altercation and Pipeman and Schwartz's departure.

Of course there is the much more probable and quite likely conclusion based on the evidence, who was in the vicinity at the time, and the baffling single cut, and that is Broadshouldered Man killed her and he wasnt Jack.

Best regards,