Pipeman interviewed and cleared

[RockySullivan]

I have no idea, but I dont know whether they had skylights in those days or not. I am just making people aware of what I was told by a relative of someone who was alive and in Whitechapel at the time of the Stride murder, and what they saw whilst walking home the night of the Stride murder.

www.trevormarriott.co.uk

Interesting. Are there any mentions in the police files of a roof sighting or roof theory

[Trevor Marriott]

Thats interesting. How would someone get to the roof from inside the loft?

I have no idea, but I dont know whether they had skylights in those days or not. I am just making people aware of what I was told by a relative of someone who was alive and in Whitechapel at the time of the Stride murder, and what they saw whilst walking home the night of the Stride murder.

https://www.trevormarriott.co.uk

[RockySullivan]

Across the rooftops?

A witness walking home at the time purportedly saw a man scurrying across the roof tops (Jack the Ripper The Secret Police Files) amzn.to/1tGNEb0

www.trevormarriott.co.uk

Thats interesting. How would someone get to the roof from inside the loft?

[Trevor Marriott]

In this link to Begg's book there is something I'd never seen mentioned before. Inspector Reid claims at the inquest that a door of the loft was found locked from the inside, and when it was forced no one was found inside. This is very strange. Could the killer have hid in the loft and had some escape route? Was there some sort of way out the police didn't recognize?

Across the rooftops?

A witness walking home at the time purportedly saw a man scurrying across the roof tops (Jack the Ripper The Secret Police Files) amzn.to/1tGNEb0

https://www.trevormarriott.co.uk

[RockySullivan]

On the 19th October 1888, Swanson wrote that 'the police apparently do not suspect the second man,’ [with respect to Sightings of Stride on the night of her murder].

Here is Paul Begg's commentary explaining why Pipeman was likely found and corroborated Schwartz's story.

books.google.com/books?id=6a2-AgAAQBAJ&pg=PT204&lpg=PT204&dq=Jack+the+ripper+pip eman&source=bl&ots=MLjZorbzpQ&sig=TQYIa6cjrU8sCFa5 HJnBGVKCqaU&hl=cs&sa=X&ei=eHJ8VJ3OMqndywPZw4LYDg&v ed=0CFEQ6AEwBA#v=onepage&q=Jack the ripper pipeman&f=false

If the link doesn't go directly to the page its the first quote in the list. Click it and page will open.

Enjoy.

BTW - Paul Begg's book "The Facts" was extremely hard to buy a few years back because it seems to have been in limited supply but the Kindle version is available. I recommend it as it is written in the same style of Sugden's classic and has some nice points like the above.

In this link to Begg's book there is something I'd never seen mentioned before. Inspector Reid claims at the inquest that a door of the loft was found locked from the inside, and when it was forced no one was found inside. This is very strange. Could the killer have hid in the loft and had some escape route? Was there some sort of way out the police didn't recognize?

[RockySullivan]

It's definitely worthwhile to compile the list gut and sounds like a really good idea. Atleast the three leather aprons are named so there likely was a record of some others right

[GUT]

Right, those brought in for questioning won't be named by police if they are released. I'm sure you know this though.

G'day Jon

I certainly know that, just it makes it hard to try and ascertain even how many were detained for questioning or otherwise.

[Wickerman]

I've been trying to, but boy is it difficult, there appear to be literally 100's of people detained for questioning, at times it is hard to determine if two reports relate to one person or two separate people, and most reports contain no name.

Right, those brought in for questioning won't be named by police if they are released. I'm sure you know this though.

[GUT]

Shortly before Mr. Bushby left the bench at the close of the day’s business at Worshop-street [sic – Worship Street] Police Court on Saturday a Swede, named Nikaner A. Benelius, 27 years of age, and described as a traveller, living in Great Eastern-street, Shoreditch, was placed in the dock charged with entering a dwelling-house in Buxton-street, Mile End, for an unlawful purpose, and with refusing to give any account of himself. Detective Sergeant Dew attended from Commercial-street station, and stated that the prisoner had been arrested that morning under circumstances which rendered it desirable to have the fullest inquiries made as to him. Prior to the last murder (of Mary Kelly, in Miller’s Court) the prisoner had been arrested by the police and detained in connection with the Berner-street murder; but was eventually released. He had, however, remained about the neighbourhood, lodging in a German lodginghouse, but having, the officer said, no apparent means of subsistence.19

http://www.casebook.org/dissertations/rip-echo.html?printer=true

Seems many were arrested as suspects in the stride murder. These POIs who where questioned and released may have been overlooked and make better suspects than most of the fantasy rippers proposed by ripperology authors. Has anyone compiled a list of all those known to have been detained in connection to the case?

I've been trying to, but boy is it difficult, there appear to be literally 100's of people detained for questioning, at times it is hard to determine if two reports relate to one person or two separate people, and most reports contain no name.

[RockySullivan]

Here's another case of some arrests in the chapman murder:

ARRESTS ON SUSPICION.
In the course of Saturday night and Sunday morning the police arrested two men on suspicion of being concerned in the crime. One man, whose appearance left little doubt in the minds of his captors that he was the Hanbury-street murderer, was found by an officer in Buck's-row shortly after 1 o'clock in the morning. The man appeared to be hiding in the street, and when accosted by the officer rushed off at the top of his speed. An alarm was raised, and after a sharp race the man was arrested. He was a villainous-looking fellow, with long hair and shaggy beard, dressed only in a pair of ragged blue serge trousers, and an old dirty shirt. He resisted his captors, but was eventually secured and conveyed to Bethnal Green police-station. It was said at the time that he was carrying a long knife concealed in the sleeve of his shirt, but on examination no weapon was found upon him. He gave an account of himself which was in the first instance considered unsatisfactory, but inquiries were immediately set on foot, and in the result the man, who appears to be a common vagrant, was released from custody. The second arrest was effected in Gloucester-street, where a man, aged 40, having the look of a seafarer, was arrested. It was pretty obvious, however, from the replies which he gave and his general appearance, that he was not the man sought for, and after he had spent some time in Commercial-street station he was set at liberty. It is suggested that the first mentioned individual is the person who has been spoken of by Mrs. Fiddymont. On Sunday the greatest excitement prevailed in Whitechapel, and crowds thronged Hanbury-street and the adjoining thoroughfares.

http://www.casebook.org/press_reports/east_london_advertiser/ela880915.html

[RockySullivan]

Shortly before Mr. Bushby left the bench at the close of the day’s business at Worshop-street [sic – Worship Street] Police Court on Saturday a Swede, named Nikaner A. Benelius, 27 years of age, and described as a traveller, living in Great Eastern-street, Shoreditch, was placed in the dock charged with entering a dwelling-house in Buxton-street, Mile End, for an unlawful purpose, and with refusing to give any account of himself. Detective Sergeant Dew attended from Commercial-street station, and stated that the prisoner had been arrested that morning under circumstances which rendered it desirable to have the fullest inquiries made as to him. Prior to the last murder (of Mary Kelly, in Miller’s Court) the prisoner had been arrested by the police and detained in connection with the Berner-street murder; but was eventually released. He had, however, remained about the neighbourhood, lodging in a German lodginghouse, but having, the officer said, no apparent means of subsistence.19

http://www.casebook.org/dissertations/rip-echo.html?printer=true

Seems many were arrested as suspects in the stride murder. These POIs who where questioned and released may have been overlooked and make better suspects than most of the fantasy rippers proposed by ripperology authors. Has anyone compiled a list of all those known to have been detained in connection to the case?

[Batman]

The quote makes reference to TWO sources...meaning if pipeman was arrested there was another witness besides Schwartz who have information. Possibly someone from the pub pipeman was in the doorway of?

I think that's possible because of use of the plural witnesses in reports.

[Hunter]

Pipeman was not at the pub; knifeman was.

[Cogidubnus]

It was a beerhouse and should've been long shut...but who knows...

[RockySullivan]

Is that from Paul Begg's book and link I mentioned?

I think they arrested a few people who they thought could be pipeman and he was one of them and furnished them with what he saw, making him the second source and corroborating Schwartz's account. I think he said it was a couple who appeared to be having a tiff and walked on.

The quote makes reference to TWO sources...meaning if pipeman was arrested there was another witness besides Schwartz who have information. Possibly someone from the pub pipeman was in the doorway of?